Why Do People Buy Fake Designer Bags Or Fake Designer Anything?

[anusa]

first off i am not trying to justify use of fake
what i am trying to put forth is that for the govt to take such measures it is very very impossible.
just imagine the ammount of research our authenticators do on each thread to identify a fake and also i see there are experts for each brand of bag.

so i cannot imagine the no. of trained personals required to find a fakes on public places


yes occurences like saks is not a common occurence but it is there

I don't think you can compare the two. First of all, the probability of Saks being affected by people returning fakes is extremely small. I don't have facts on that but you can use common sense and figure out that it's not a normal occurrence. Secondly, this is what I meant by what I said previously about people believing only what they want to believe... what happens to be "very very important" issues to some (funding terrorism and child labor) just doesn't comprehend to others. I find it a bit sad that people who know better still try to justify using a fake for the sake of frugality, fashion, whatever they want to call it.

 

[anusa]

I totaly understand your opinion but such countries like italy etc have such laws enacted but how much r they enforced is different question.

I have seen the best of best fakes originating from italy itself

It is my understanding that some countries are able to successfully enforce such laws. I don't have all the details on that, so it is just my opinion.

 

[bisousx]

^I'm not saying you are condoning it, just debating here.

 

[QueenCoco]

I'd rather carry a plastic bag that put plastic into my body, personally.
Surf around the web and look at a few photos of what your boobs can look like once your implants crap out on you. And this isn't only cheap foreign surgery, either, sorry to say. If you like the look of a bigger bosom, stuff your bra with tissue or something--don't mess yourself up permanently, destroy your ability to breastfeed in the future, make it harder for mammogram machines to detect cancer and all the other things that can happen to you. Many men actually like smaller chests, though you wouldn't know that from reading fashion mags that cater to insecurity. And did you ever notice, that women who have chests on the smaller side often have the best legs?

You can breastfeed with implants. And since mamogram machines are x-ray machines, they will allow the tech to see beyond and around the implant. As for them "crapping out"...I guess you mean deflating?.....The newer implants are made of a silcon gel wich is perfectly safe and is solid, so they wont deflate. If, however, they do....a second implant surgery would be the answer. There will always be the unlucky few with bad results, however as a whole, the procedure is safe and looks great as well as allows one to proceed with life perfectly normally.....and the legs are genetics (like the size of ones chest)...so one has nothing to do with the other....

 

[anusa]

i understand and really did not mean to point my statement directly to u
I just wanted to make it clear that i am not atall condoning fakes
i totally understand the bigger picture of the fakes posing various kinds of threats to the society.
but am just saying that we need more human awareness and acceptance of these facts to curb counterfeting.

^I'm not saying you are condoning it, just debating here.

 

[anusa]

yes theoretically it may bring back some good

I don't think it would solve the problem either, just like speeding tickets don't stop people from speeding or taxing cigarettes doesn't stop people from smoking. In theory I do believe it would bring some good back to the world what the black market takes out of it.

 

[Swanky]

yes but what about those who ignorantly bought it at ebay
or other sites at internet
not every one know about tpf to get it authenticated here
and not every one can identify a fake

well, I'm only responding to whomever above commented about fakes being returned to authorized dealers

 

[black jade]

Making it illegal to carry would not be a bad idea in my eyes, but then you'd have to train the authorities to be able to spot a fake quickly. They really should put out more media coverage about the issue. The media's got nothing to lose, especially seeing how it's a hot topic and no American company or economy benefits from this illegal trade.

No offence, but I actually think that both the 'authorities' and the 'media' have more pressing issues on their mind than the Chinatown fake that some woman is offending us purists with.

The fact is, that people who carry fakes know that out of 1,000 people 999 will be impressed with the fake. Yes, you can tell, but in many cases only after studying bags and pictures of bags in more detail than most people care to bother to do (which is why even on this forum, people need help from 'authenticators.')

Yes, the fakes usually fall apart quicker but a lot of people don't care if a bag falls apart after, say, 6 mos, if they only spent $30 on it on a NY street. To tell the truth, a lot of the designer bags nowadays are only in style for 6 months anyway--or at least, there's a new and more interesting bag out by then. they will just buy themselves a new fake then. it takes a lot of $30 to add up to the $700 for a real whatever.

Some of the fakes don't fall apart all that quickly. Many companies (you can look it up, I won't say who) have their factories now that make their real bags in China and the underpaid workers there are said to smuggle out materials and make 'unauthorized' bags using the same techniques they learned in the company factory, which is wrong of course but maybe not too surprising considering the pennies they get to make bags that then cost $1000s in the US. These 'superfakes' are supposed to be the ones that the salesladies in upscale stores have trouble telling are not real. I don't know if this is true but I have heard this.

anyway, that's not my point, my point is that its fun for us on this forum to talk about purses and show off our purses, etc. etc. but (although it might be fun too for some people) no point in letting your blood pressure rise worrying too much about people who don't have the same interests buying and using fakes. Because it's not going to stop happening. and could it be that it's SO offensive to some of us because each time we see someone getting away with this, it reminds us that our little hobby is not so important in many other peoples' eyes and that most people in fact are not admiring our wonderful taste and/or high disposable income level because they don't even know the difference between us and the lady with the fake? Or care? Time to step back maybe and get some perspective that our hobby is for us to enjoy, not because anyone else outside our little circle is EVER going to be interested.

 

[QueenCoco]

I agree, but trying to explain to someone the effects on society when they simply refuse to believe is useless. Also aggravating when they use excuses like "I can't afford XXXX, so that's why I buy this" even after the facts are presented. People only believe what they want to believe.

I think this goes for both sides. The staunch anti-fake side will say it funds terror and child labor etc....while the people on the other side who don't see a big deal with someone carrying a fake bag say there is no substantial proof that this occurs. What is the truth? Probably somewhere in the middle. SO do you know better? You, as everyone else, beleives what will strengthen their point....I am sure the counterfit trade funds other illegal activities, however, so do many other trades. Does every factory in china employ children? Maybe....but many factories from legitamate businesses based in other countries without stringiant child labor laws also do. There are many sides to this story...and us sheltered from the actual truth on this side of the world will NEVER really know the truth.

 

[QueenCoco]

No offence, but I actually think that both the 'authorities' and the 'media' have more pressing issues on their mind than the Chinatown fake that some woman is offending us purists with.

The fact is, that people who carry fakes know that out of 1,000 people 999 will be impressed with the fake. Yes, you can tell, but in many cases only after studying bags and pictures of bags in more detail than most people care to bother to do (which is why even on this forum, people need help from 'authenticators.')

Yes, the fakes usually fall apart quicker but a lot of people don't care if a bag falls apart after, say, 6 mos, if they only spent $30 on it on a NY street. To tell the truth, a lot of the designer bags nowadays are only in style for 6 months anyway--or at least, there's a new and more interesting bag out by then. they will just buy themselves a new fake then. it takes a lot of $30 to add up to the $700 for a real whatever.

Some of the fakes don't fall apart all that quickly. Many companies (you can look it up, I won't say who) have their factories now that make their real bags in China and the underpaid workers there are said to smuggle out materials and make 'unauthorized' bags using the same techniques they learned in the company factory, which is wrong of course but maybe not too surprising considering the pennies they get to make bags that then cost $1000s in the US. These 'superfakes' are supposed to be the ones that the salesladies in upscale stores have trouble telling are not real. I don't know if this is true but I have heard this.

anyway, that's not my point, my point is that its fun for us on this forum to talk about purses and show off our purses, etc. etc. but (although it might be fun too for some people) no point in letting your blood pressure rise worrying too much about people who don't have the same interests buying and using fakes. Because it's not going to stop happening. and could it be that it's SO offensive to some of us because each time we see someone getting away with this, it reminds us that our little hobby is not so important in many other peoples' eyes and that most people in fact are not admiring our wonderful taste and/or high disposable income level because they don't even know the difference between us and the lady with the fake? Or care? Time to step back maybe and get some perspective that our hobby is for us to enjoy, not because anyone else outside our little circle is EVER going to be interested.

 

[anusa]

I agree a lot with what you say yet
such discussion and forums do bring about some level of awareness
about bigger issues associated with counterfeiting.
may be all do not agree still if even a few did and stopped buying counterfeits(be it purses medicines music software ) i guess this discussion will serve its purpose.

No offence, but I actually think that both the 'authorities' and the 'media' have more pressing issues on their mind than the Chinatown fake that some woman is offending us purists with.

The fact is, that people who carry fakes know that out of 1,000 people 999 will be impressed with the fake. Yes, you can tell, but in many cases only after studying bags and pictures of bags in more detail than most people care to bother to do (which is why even on this forum, people need help from 'authenticators.')

Yes, the fakes usually fall apart quicker but a lot of people don't care if a bag falls apart after, say, 6 mos, if they only spent $30 on it on a NY street. To tell the truth, a lot of the designer bags nowadays are only in style for 6 months anyway--or at least, there's a new and more interesting bag out by then. they will just buy themselves a new fake then. it takes a lot of $30 to add up to the $700 for a real whatever.

Some of the fakes don't fall apart all that quickly. Many companies (you can look it up, I won't say who) have their factories now that make their real bags in China and the underpaid workers there are said to smuggle out materials and make 'unauthorized' bags using the same techniques they learned in the company factory, which is wrong of course but maybe not too surprising considering the pennies they get to make bags that then cost $1000s in the US. These 'superfakes' are supposed to be the ones that the salesladies in upscale stores have trouble telling are not real. I don't know if this is true but I have heard this.

anyway, that's not my point, my point is that its fun for us on this forum to talk about purses and show off our purses, etc. etc. but (although it might be fun too for some people) no point in letting your blood pressure rise worrying too much about people who don't have the same interests buying and using fakes. Because it's not going to stop happening. and could it be that it's SO offensive to some of us because each time we see someone getting away with this, it reminds us that our little hobby is not so important in many other peoples' eyes and that most people in fact are not admiring our wonderful taste and/or high disposable income level because they don't even know the difference between us and the lady with the fake? Or care? Time to step back maybe and get some perspective that our hobby is for us to enjoy, not because anyone else outside our little circle is EVER going to be interested.

 

[anusa]

understood
anyways it was me who had said about fakes being returned to authorized dealers lol

well, I'm only responding to whomever above commented about fakes being returned to authorized dealers

 

[bisousx]

No offence, but I actually think that both the 'authorities' and the 'media' have more pressing issues on their mind than the Chinatown fake that some woman is offending us purists with.

The fact is, that people who carry fakes know that out of 1,000 people 999 will be impressed with the fake. Yes, you can tell, but in many cases only after studying bags and pictures of bags in more detail than most people care to bother to do (which is why even on this forum, people need help from 'authenticators.')

Yes, the fakes usually fall apart quicker but a lot of people don't care if a bag falls apart after, say, 6 mos, if they only spent $30 on it on a NY street. To tell the truth, a lot of the designer bags nowadays are only in style for 6 months anyway--or at least, there's a new and more interesting bag out by then. they will just buy themselves a new fake then. it takes a lot of $30 to add up to the $700 for a real whatever.

Some of the fakes don't fall apart all that quickly. Many companies (you can look it up, I won't say who) have their factories now that make their real bags in China and the underpaid workers there are said to smuggle out materials and make 'unauthorized' bags using the same techniques they learned in the company factory, which is wrong of course but maybe not too surprising considering the pennies they get to make bags that then cost $1000s in the US. These 'superfakes' are supposed to be the ones that the salesladies in upscale stores have trouble telling are not real. I don't know if this is true but I have heard this.

anyway, that's not my point, my point is that its fun for us on this forum to talk about purses and show off our purses, etc. etc. but (although it might be fun too for some people) no point in letting your blood pressure rise worrying too much about people who don't have the same interests buying and using fakes. Because it's not going to stop happening. and could it be that it's SO offensive to some of us because each time we see someone getting away with this, it reminds us that our little hobby is not so important in many other peoples' eyes and that most people in fact are not admiring our wonderful taste and/or high disposable income level because they don't even know the difference between us and the lady with the fake? Or care? Time to step back maybe and get some perspective that our hobby is for us to enjoy, not because anyone else outside our little circle is EVER going to be interested.

Maybe for some people on this thread it's about the quality of fakes, but I never viewed it as simplistic as a woman's Chinatown fake. Nor am I offended by someone else's fashion choices. There are big issues regarding the counterfeit industry, otherwise I don't think customs and the FBI would get into it.

As for the quote I bolded, it would be a "no" from me. If I am made aware of a certain brand or company doing unethical things, I stop contributing to them and sometimes speak out against them. In cases such as Walmart or Rock Star. And if I were to be easily offended, I may even take offense to how my POV is dumbed down to merely my "image" and not things that I and others would genuinely love to fix in this world.

 

[Swanky]

^^LOL! I don't keep track of who said what

 

[anusa]

just a little story here
a student of mine(i teach art and i sell art) who is nearly sixteen and wanted to buy a software called corel painters X. could not manage to spend 300 on the whole thing so she wanted to copy it thru a crack. I introduced her to this thread and she did go thru many of the articles that are there in another thread that enlists resources in refference to counterfeiting. She was like could it be true?? and then but cracks wont fund terrorism or child labour would they ?? anyways since it is debatable she said she wouldnt want to even be a part of it and keep wondering that could her silly act be a part of such huge issues. And waited till she could buy the authorised students version.

Such arguments do have an impact however small but they do IMO