Mansur Gavriel Well that relaunch was horrible

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#16
I finally got my bag ordered after a couple of tries at this. This time I got my Rosa/Rosa Large bucket and I'm happy. People are seeking out these bags around the world. I get that there is a very limited supply when you are conceivably competing against many thousands of people for a few bags. I would really love to know just how many of each style were available. Purely out of curiosity.
 
#17
heartnaspade said:
Yes, it was difficult for people to buy a bag, but that's going to happen when there's a limited supply of something that I'm sure tens of thousands of people wanted to try to buy.

I think what people need to understand is that these bags are handmade in Italy at a time when most major brands are (secretly) mass producing their bags in China. I know for a fact that Celine and Prada, for example, produce all of their bags in China, then ship them Italy where they stamp the "made in Italy" label on, so that they can technically be considered produced there. As someone who works in the industry, I can tell you that producing anything in Italy takes time, and there is no such thing as mass producing tens of thousands of bags a month, like you can do in China when you have people working for 14 hours a day. I just think it's very sad that people are misinterpreting the natural supply and demand of MGs bags as something of a marketing strategy, when I don't think that's the case. I appreciate that there's finally a brand that is trying to create sustainable, well-made, and beautiful bags at a price point that many women can actually afford.

People are not screaming and crying that it's Hermes' fault that Birkin's are somewhat difficult to buy, so I don't understand why people are so harsh towards MG. Maybe because the price point is so much more accessible, so people feel entitled to be able to buy them? Either way I hope they continue to stay true to their values and not mass produce these bags, because I think they're doing something very special.
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Wow well said. I too have heard that many luxury brands make bags in China and that it is obviously kept top secret so that their prestige remains intact hence maintaining that they are being made in Italy or France. It's all business for these major players at the end of the day.
 
#18
heartnaspade said:
Yes, it was difficult for people to buy a bag, but that's going to happen when there's a limited supply of something that I'm sure tens of thousands of people wanted to try to buy.

I think what people need to understand is that these bags are handmade in Italy at a time when most major brands are (secretly) mass producing their bags in China. I know for a fact that Celine and Prada, for example, produce all of their bags in China, then ship them Italy where they stamp the "made in Italy" label on, so that they can technically be considered produced there. As someone who works in the industry, I can tell you that producing anything in Italy takes time, and there is no such thing as mass producing tens of thousands of bags a month, like you can do in China when you have people working for 14 hours a day. I just think it's very sad that people are misinterpreting the natural supply and demand of MGs bags as something of a marketing strategy, when I don't think that's the case. I appreciate that there's finally a brand that is trying to create sustainable, well-made, and beautiful bags at a price point that many women can actually afford.

People are not screaming and crying that it's Hermes' fault that Birkin's are somewhat difficult to buy, so I don't understand why people are so harsh towards MG. Maybe because the price point is so much more accessible, so people feel entitled to be able to buy them? Either way I hope they continue to stay true to their values and not mass produce these bags, because I think they're doing something very special.
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Well said. Where did you get your info about bags being made in China and then stamped in France of Italy just to have the Made in France/Italy stamp on it? boy is that shady and I sure would prefer not to buy from brands that do that.
 
#19
Msbuffy100 said:
Well said. Where did you get your info about bags being made in China and then stamped in France of Italy just to have the Made in France/Italy stamp on it? boy is that shady and I sure would prefer not to buy from brands that do that.
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Most of the brands do it now. If you think about it, about 85% of a luxury brands revenue comes from leather goods (not including their perfumes and cosmetics businesses), so they need to produce a huge quantity of bags in order to support all of their worldwide demand. It's just not possible to do it Italy, where work conditions are much different than they are in China. I can't really elaborate more but once I saw where the majority of these bags are coming from, it really changed the way I thought about buying bags and whether it makes sense to spend $3k on something that cost $50 to make.
 
#20
Msbuffy100 said:
Well said. Where did you get your info about bags being made in China and then stamped in France of Italy just to have the Made in France/Italy stamp on it? boy is that shady and I sure would prefer not to buy from brands that do that.
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This is something that has covered by a number of sources in the luxury industry. Designers have found many ways around the requirements that allow them to technically claim a bag is 'made in Italy' when it is really just a finishing touch and tag that is assembled in Italy.

Thank you for this reminder about MG's commitment to offering a handmade product in a mass market world. There are so few brands TRULY making things by hand, and these bags simply aren't scalable to a large degree because of this fact. Making things by hand takes more time, which is one of the reasons why this brand has become so popular. I think in our mass-produced culture, many people are actively seeking out brands that honor a more deliberate manufacturing process.
 
#21
I love that MG produces bags in Italy and not in China. In fact, I do not purchase any bags that are made in countries with low labor costs. To me, the issue is not that people such as myself are unable to purchase a bag. The issue seems to be the inexperience of this company with handling their customers. For example, it does not seem that the "5 minute rule" was in place during the checkout process. If it was, it wouldn't matter that many people had their payment details saved in their account and were able to checkout faster. The only thing that would have mattered was how quickly the item was put into your cart. I think it was the luck of the draw for many.

There are many small companies that produce their goods in Italy. I find MG's marketing model commendable from a business perspective. They are fueling their own supply and demand model by releasing bags every three months. I am sure they could release smaller batches more often on the website to prevent thousands of people from fighting over these bags. They are spreading themselves thin by having retailers periodically restock them instead of focusing on their own website.

The fact that they are already increasing their prices tells me that they are using this marketing model to their benefit. I don't hate them for it, but I do acknowledge that by purchasing one of these bags I will be succumbing to the hype.

Violet Bleu
 
#22
heartnaspade said:
Yes, it was difficult for people to buy a bag, but that's going to happen when there's a limited supply of something that I'm sure tens of thousands of people wanted to try to buy.

I think what people need to understand is that these bags are handmade in Italy at a time when most major brands are (secretly) mass producing their bags in China. I know for a fact that Celine and Prada, for example, produce all of their bags in China, then ship them Italy where they stamp the "made in Italy" label on, so that they can technically be considered produced there. As someone who works in the industry, I can tell you that producing anything in Italy takes time, and there is no such thing as mass producing tens of thousands of bags a month, like you can do in China when you have people working for 14 hours a day. I just think it's very sad that people are misinterpreting the natural supply and demand of MGs bags as something of a marketing strategy, when I don't think that's the case. I appreciate that there's finally a brand that is trying to create sustainable, well-made, and beautiful bags at a price point that many women can actually afford.

People are not screaming and crying that it's Hermes' fault that Birkin's are somewhat difficult to buy, so I don't understand why people are so harsh towards MG. Maybe because the price point is so much more accessible, so people feel entitled to be able to buy them? Either way I hope they continue to stay true to their values and not mass produce these bags, because I think they're doing something very special.
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I agree 100%, but that might be easier to swallow since I was able to purchase a bag. It's hard to have it both ways, and I'd rather wait than sacrifice quality. For me this is just another example of the entitled generation's twisted thinking.
 
#23
The queuing system for high demand online products is basically luck of the draw. For example, sneakers. It took Nike forever to come up with a better system for their releases and they are a multi-billion dollar company. And even then, its really luck of the draw because you might have clicked at the same time as someone on the other side of the world and the computer picked them over you. And yes, they could have had a better system in place so that people don't get their hopes up believing they had a bag reserved when they didn't, but I don't think its that serious.

I like that they release the bag at a specific time and in limited qualities. If I get one, I am happy. If I don't, I'll try next time. Its like playing the lottery except when I win, I have to cough up $500.
 
#26
heartnaspade said:
Yes, it was difficult for people to buy a bag, but that's going to happen when there's a limited supply of something that I'm sure tens of thousands of people wanted to try to buy.

I think what people need to understand is that these bags are handmade in Italy at a time when most major brands are (secretly) mass producing their bags in China. I know for a fact that Celine and Prada, for example, produce all of their bags in China, then ship them Italy where they stamp the "made in Italy" label on, so that they can technically be considered produced there. As someone who works in the industry, I can tell you that producing anything in Italy takes time, and there is no such thing as mass producing tens of thousands of bags a month, like you can do in China when you have people working for 14 hours a day. I just think it's very sad that people are misinterpreting the natural supply and demand of MGs bags as something of a marketing strategy, when I don't think that's the case. I appreciate that there's finally a brand that is trying to create sustainable, well-made, and beautiful bags at a price point that many women can actually afford.

People are not screaming and crying that it's Hermes' fault that Birkin's are somewhat difficult to buy, so I don't understand why people are so harsh towards MG. Maybe because the price point is so much more accessible, so people feel entitled to be able to buy them? Either way I hope they continue to stay true to their values and not mass produce these bags, because I think they're doing something very special.
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Well said. I hadn't heard anything about MG's manufacturing, so this is good to know.
 
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