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#61
^^ Well posted, Tadpole.

And I fully agree about HH being original. I loved their first collection of bags.. Nico, Havana, Ibiza, Mercer... all great original designs. their newer stuff... i am indifferent to.
 
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#62
jun3machina said:
a new Hayden-Harnett bag $425 fall 2008
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MARC JACOBS PALOMA, few seasons ago...
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I got the HH catalog in the mail and couldn't believe what I saw! I thought it was very pretty but SO M.J.
 
#63
Luna said:
I'm not missing any fact. You'd have to be daft, dumb, and blind to not realize that both are simply art deco pieces.

didn't claim he invented any wheel. but neither did HH. :tdown:

The thread is referencing styles of other designers to MJ. and from what I'm reading, a similar thread took place in the Hermes subforum comparing MJ's design to Hermes...

it works both up and down the scale of designers.

All *I* was pointing out is this definite similarities between the jewelry and the hardware on the HH.

Just sayin'.
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ITA luna. the fact that MJ brought back the art deco when no other designers were, and happened to pick the circular design (when there are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many other art deco designs one could use!! i collect art deco jewlery and there are so many other designs they could have referenced art deco with, without using the same design as MJ) im not claiming Mj invented the wheel either, he borrows a lot, chews it up and spits it out to reveal his own design aesthetic with influences. but for another company to choose the same shapes and designs, it's a lil less than inspiration and more an easy way out for manufacturing...
 
#68
f21 is SO bad. I'm surprised they're still doing this after they got sued by Anna sui, and other designers (I believe). I think I saw a replica Hudson at F21 some time ago.
I don't mind designers doing the "inspired" by. Like the Burberry studs, and the first cluth that was posted. Yes, they have a lot of similarities and were probably inspired by Marc, but they put their own twist on it. Some people may prefer these more than Marc's designs.
The ones that get me are the ones that are basically exact. That Hutton clutch, and the Lush bags. you would hope designers have some more creativity than that. Also Melie Bianco does that. I believe when Lauren conrad was deemed as wearing a fake stam, it was a Melie Bianco bag (this is just a guess of mine because the bag she always carried in LB was Melie bianco). Bags are sold as authentic Melie Bianco's...what's a knockoff? A Marc bag?! Anyway, here are some of Melie bianco's innovative designs:
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I've loved Marc's styles and designs forever and I usually couldn't afford it (well, I still really can't afford it..), but I think people who like the style and can't afford it should spring for something similar, but not exact. Like the earlier "inspirations" because to me, when it's done like this (specifically the Melie Bianco patchwork stam!!), it just looks like the same thing you would have bought at chinatown. I'm not at all knocking people who can't or don't want to spend a lot of money on a bag in any way, but to me these "designs" are taking it too far (and Melie Bianco had Gryson, Prada, Fendi, Jimmy choo, Bulga, chloe...everything inspired bags)
 
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#69
Some people follow trends, others create them. That's just human nature. People "borrow" ideas and creations from each other all the time and there's nothing much the original creator can do about it. So it becomes a matter of doing better than the other guy, of showing some ingenuity even when following a trend.

PS: I :heart: HH too!
 
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chelsssea said:
f21 is SO bad. I'm surprised they're still doing this after they got sued by Anna sui, and other designers (I believe). I think I saw a replica Hudson at F21 some time ago.
I don't mind designers doing the "inspired" by. Like the Burberry studs, and the first cluth that was posted. Yes, they have a lot of similarities and were probably inspired by Marc, but they put their own twist on it. Some people may prefer these more than Marc's designs.
The ones that get me are the ones that are basically exact. That Hutton clutch, and the Lush bags. you would hope designers have some more creativity than that. Also Melie Bianco does that. I believe when Lauren conrad was deemed as wearing a fake stam, it was a Melie Bianco bag (this is just a guess of mine because the bag she always carried in LB was Melie bianco). Bags are sold as authentic Melie Bianco's...what's a knockoff? A Marc bag?! Anyway, here are some of Melie bianco's innovative designs:
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I've loved Marc's styles and designs forever and I usually couldn't afford it (well, I still really can't afford it..), but I think people who like the style and can't afford it should spring for something similar, but not exact. Like the earlier "inspirations" because to me, when it's done like this (specifically the Melie Bianco patchwork stam!!), it just looks like the same thing you would have bought at chinatown. I'm not at all knocking people who can't or don't want to spend a lot of money on a bag in any way, but to me these "designs" are taking it too far (and Melie Bianco had Gryson, Prada, Fendi, Jimmy choo, Bulga, chloe...everything inspired bags)
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These pics are really upsettingly similar. Are these bags expensive? I don't know this "designer". But it really is a total rip-off. :tdown:
 
#71
tadpolenyc said:
i'd like to preface this by saying that no one here intends to insinuate that hayden-harnett is an inferior brand. while i agree that designers are influenced by other designers, there is a difference between referencing and just plain old unoriginality. true, mj didn't create art deco, but he did create an entire collection centered around the art deco movement. now, while the hh bag may not be a direct copy or knock-off of the mj paloma, they share striking similarities namely the shape, the size, the stud detailing on the straps, the strap drop length, and the positioning of the decoration. there's little that was altered in the hh interpretation.

anyone can slap an art deco enamel on a bag, but it's another thing to create a product similar enough that those familiar with fashion or the designer can look at it and instantly recognize from which season and design it originates from.

i don't find anything offensive or wrong about that. i support the ********ization of fashion, and i don't believe you should have to be affluent in order to own well-made things, but the current state of style is such that it's breeding emulation rather than innovation. young brooklyn-based fashion houses like hh should be doing more of the latter to establish themselves as a brand, and judging by their other designs, it isn't as if they aren't capable of original ideas. not that i think mj is truly original because he's not, but i don't believe anyone can say that he doesn't take the mundane and make it his own.
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:woohoo: Very well said, as usual! I am generally very tolerant of designers being "inspired" by other designers, as long as they are adding something new. Although I get a little more irritated when the "inspired" designer who copies the design is just as expensive as the one it's ripping off, or sometimes more expensive, or more established, as when major labels rip off indies and jack up the price. That to me feels like major cheating for evil reasons.

And yet... that Forever 21 knockoff of the Sienna bag is just whoa! It like personally offends me aesthetically. And yet, I actually kind of like the Groovee-ish Coach. Is that wrong? I dunno...who can say why we respond as we do to some bags and not others. There is so much subjectivity. But in any case, this thread is very informative and it is always a fun topic! :smile1:
 
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