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MiniMabel said:
I expect the next step will be a post-mortem.

Forensic experts will be combing her home for evidence, clues and information, I should imagine.

So many grey areas in the whole issue of the Epstein saga, the truth will probably never be revealed.
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She seemed deeply depressed and tormented, possibly by her past, and by what appears to have been a separation from her children. I still don’t understand why she couldn’t be with them. And if the bus accident didn’t cause her bruises, then what did?

On the other hand, if there was an intent to silence her, that video she posted only made it easier to portray her as someone unstable and prone to suicide.

I agree with you, chances are, we will never really know what happened.
 
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Chanbal said:
I don't know what to think about this, except that I'm really sorry for VG.
For what it's worth!
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His videos are often interesting but they should be viewed as entertainment and this installment shows why. He only provides information that helps him make his case. He conveniently leaves out anything that would refute his theory or call it into question. When he cites her public statement that she would never commit suicide, he doesn’t tell us that she made the statement in the days following Epstein being found dead in his jail cell from an alleged suicide. He doesn’t clarify that she was telling the world that if she was found dead suddenly (in 2019) that she didn’t kill herself. Fast forward to 2025 and a lot happened in that time. A settlement was reached in 2022 and she was paid by Andrew.

What BLG left out of his video was that her marriage and her family life completely fell apart within the past several months. We don’t know the details because it was the family’s personal business, but what we do know shows that her life was going very badly. It was so bad that the husband had full custody and he took the kids and moved out. She didn’t have any visitation rights at the time she died. Her husband filed a restraining order against her back in February, which she violated. At the same time she was accusing her husband of having physically abused her “for years.” Then we had her “I’ll be dead in four days” clip from her hospital bed on social media and her saying she wanted to see her kids “one more time.” She could not have been released from the hospital after a few days if she was really in renal failure so we know she was lying about that. No one from her immediate household wanted to have anything to do with her. BLG doesn’t mention any of that, because then he couldn’t tie her death back to the Epstein case. The police who responded to the call said it was a clear cut suicide. Again we probably won’t get the details about why they could make that definitive statement.

I love conspiracy theories, but there’s such a thing as trying too hard to make the conspiracy fit. That’s what I think he’s done with this video.
 
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bag-mania said:
His videos are often interesting but they should be viewed as entertainment and this installment shows why. He only provides information that helps him make his case. He conveniently leaves out anything that would refute his theory or call it into question. When he cites her public statement that she would never commit suicide, he doesn’t tell us that she made the statement in the days following Epstein being found dead in his jail cell from an alleged suicide. He doesn’t clarify that she was telling the world that if she was found dead suddenly (in 2019) that she didn’t kill herself. Fast forward to 2025 and a lot happened in that time. A settlement was reached in 2022 and she was paid by Andrew.

What BLG left out of his video was that her marriage and her family life completely fell apart within the past several months. We don’t know the details because it was the family’s personal business, but what we do know shows that her life was going very badly. It was so bad that the husband had full custody and he took the kids and moved out. She didn’t have any visitation rights at the time she died. Her husband filed a restraining order against her back in February, which she violated. At the same time she was accusing her husband of having physically abused her “for years.” Then we had her “I’ll be dead in four days” clip from her hospital bed on social media and her saying she wanted to see her kids “one more time.” She could not have been released from the hospital after a few days if she was really in renal failure so we know she was lying about that. No one from her immediate household wanted to have anything to do with her. BLG doesn’t mention any of that, because then he couldn’t tie her death back to the Epstein case. The police who responded to the call said it was a clear cut suicide. Again we probably won’t get the details about why they could make that definitive statement.

I love conspiracy theories, but there’s such a thing as trying too hard to make the conspiracy fit. That’s what I think he’s done with this video.
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Yeah, the BLG was likely pushing the boundaries of reality. One thing we know for sure is that it's a tragic situation, she was too young to die.
 
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Welcome to this week’s edition of Royalist, The Daily Beast’s newsletter for all things royal and Royal Family. Subscribe here to get it in your inbox every Sunday.
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Prince Andrew’s disgrace is now set in stone
The death by suicide of Virginia Giuffre, 41, has brought a tragic end to the royal scandal that engulfed Prince Andrew —and with it, any remaining hopes of rehabilitating his reputation.
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Giuffre, a key accuser in the Jeffrey Epstein case, died by suicide at her Australian farm years after alleging that Andrew sexually abused her when she was 17.

She had pursued the Duke of York with tenacity, forcing him to “step back” from public duties and eventually securing a multi-million-pound settlement in 2022 (with no admission of liability from Andrew).

Andrew has always denied wrongdoing, and the claims were never tested in criminal court, but his name was dragged through the mire.

Now, the damage that sordid episode caused is set in concrete.

Public sympathy will henceforth and forever lie with Giuffre, remembered by her family as a “fierce warrior” for abuse survivors this weekend.

In contrast, Prince Andrew’s pathetic attempts to defend himself have only ever deepened his disgrace.

He continues to claim to friends that he has “no recollection” of meeting Giuffre, despite that photograph of him with his arm around her bare, teenage waist, with a ghoulish Ghislaine Maxwell grinning nastily behind them.

His now-notorious 2019 BBC Newsnight interview—in which he bizarrely claimed to have been at a Pizza Express on the day he was alleged to be with Giuffre and suggested Giuffre was lying about meeting him because she said he was sweaty and he claimed to have lost the ability to sweat—backfired disastrously, prompting nationwide ridicule and scorn.

The prince, often dubbed the “queen’s favorite son,” was stripped of royal patronages and official duties following the interview.

He paid a rumored $14 million in an out-of-court settlement—a deal reportedly urged on him by the late queen to avoid a humiliating court trial.

Any notion that Andrew might one day clear his name or return to public life had long been viewed as remote.

It is now impossible.

Andrew’s friends have indicated that the prince, 65, will make no comment on Giuffre’s death. Rightly so: No statement could do anything to ameliorate the personal or the public relations catastrophe that this damning chapter of royal history represents.

Prince Andrew’s name is irrevocably tarnished with a stigma that will follow him for life.

He is finished.
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sdkitty said:
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Welcome to this week’s edition of Royalist, The Daily Beast’s newsletter for all things royal and Royal Family. Subscribe here to get it in your inbox every Sunday.
​
Prince Andrew’s disgrace is now set in stone
The death by suicide of Virginia Giuffre, 41, has brought a tragic end to the royal scandal that engulfed Prince Andrew —and with it, any remaining hopes of rehabilitating his reputation.
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Giuffre, a key accuser in the Jeffrey Epstein case, died by suicide at her Australian farm years after alleging that Andrew sexually abused her when she was 17.

She had pursued the Duke of York with tenacity, forcing him to “step back” from public duties and eventually securing a multi-million-pound settlement in 2022 (with no admission of liability from Andrew).

Andrew has always denied wrongdoing, and the claims were never tested in criminal court, but his name was dragged through the mire.

Now, the damage that sordid episode caused is set in concrete.

Public sympathy will henceforth and forever lie with Giuffre, remembered by her family as a “fierce warrior” for abuse survivors this weekend.

In contrast, Prince Andrew’s pathetic attempts to defend himself have only ever deepened his disgrace.

He continues to claim to friends that he has “no recollection” of meeting Giuffre, despite that photograph of him with his arm around her bare, teenage waist, with a ghoulish Ghislaine Maxwell grinning nastily behind them.

His now-notorious 2019 BBC Newsnight interview—in which he bizarrely claimed to have been at a Pizza Express on the day he was alleged to be with Giuffre and suggested Giuffre was lying about meeting him because she said he was sweaty and he claimed to have lost the ability to sweat—backfired disastrously, prompting nationwide ridicule and scorn.

The prince, often dubbed the “queen’s favorite son,” was stripped of royal patronages and official duties following the interview.

He paid a rumored $14 million in an out-of-court settlement—a deal reportedly urged on him by the late queen to avoid a humiliating court trial.

Any notion that Andrew might one day clear his name or return to public life had long been viewed as remote.

It is now impossible.

Andrew’s friends have indicated that the prince, 65, will make no comment on Giuffre’s death. Rightly so: No statement could do anything to ameliorate the personal or the public relations catastrophe that this damning chapter of royal history represents.

Prince Andrew’s name is irrevocably tarnished with a stigma that will follow him for life.

He is finished.

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Yeah, I don't know. I don't see how Andrew's image was going to be rehabilitated whether or not this had happened.
He's pretty low down there already.
 
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purseinsanity said:
Yeah, I don't know. I don't see how Andrew's image was going to be rehabilitated whether or not this had happened.
He's pretty low down there already.
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I agree his image is in the gutter, but give it a couple of years, and his PR team will spin it like it never happened; he was just being noble by settling with VG to protect QE from more media noise. :popcorn:I know, I'm being too much of a cynic today.
 
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Chanbal said:
I agree his image is in the gutter, but give it a couple of years, and his PR team will spin it like it never happened; he was just being noble by settling with VG to protect QE from more media noise. :popcorn:I know, I'm being too much of a cynic today.
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Don’t worry. The royal family doesn’t need him. Charles has no incentive to try to rehabilitate his reputation. Andrew has been sidelined and that is where he’ll stay. He could try to change things himself but he will be unsuccessful. He’s a 65-year-old prince who will never be king. Nobody cares what he has to say and he’s basically a useless embarrassment now. Andrew is done.
 
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bag-mania said:
Don’t worry. The royal family doesn’t need him. Charles has no incentive to try to rehabilitate his reputation. Andrew has been sidelined and that is where he’ll stay. He could try to change things himself but he will be unsuccessful. He’s a 65-year-old prince who will never be king. Nobody cares what he has to say and he’s basically a useless embarrassment now. Andrew is done.
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and in addition to his tarnished reputation, he has lost his physical attractiveness....hasn't aged well - and mommy isn't around to protect him anymore.
 
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VG's attorney, who was present at the scene, made several observations that are discussed in the video. Among other things, the video raises the possibility of an accidental overdose involving painkillers. VG was in an abusive relationship but was not divorced at the time of her death; therefore, her husband remains her next of kin and legal heir. Although VG had intended to file a restraining order against him, he filed one against her first. Police remained at the scene for 10 to 12 hours, removing items and collecting information from her home.


 
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