I’ve owned 4 neverfulls (1 gm, 3 mm) and I’ve sold all of them. I love my graceful pm and prefer it over the neverfulls. I couldn’t stand the straps on the DE neverfull getting wrinkles at the base of the straps. I just prefer the graceful pm with a bag organizer from zoomoni. It gives the bag structure, holds everything I need and the strap is thick.