Michael Jackson (1958 - 2009)

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ShimmaPuff said:
It is actually a huge problem for many people who have to take pain medication. It's a side effect of taking stuff like that for a while.

The thing with Michael and the anesthesia does not surprise me. I understand it. I have wished for it, and long before any of this happened.

In fact, sleep disturbance is my #1 struggle right now. My blood sugar is controlled, my pain is managed better than ever, and I am slowly but surely learning to cope with existing in "windows" of lucidity and the various other lifestyle "issues" that come with having to Take Pills, but the sleep thing is an ongoing challenge.

Let me hasten to clarify that I do not compare my own situation to his - for one thing, I'm sure that he needed much larger doses to control his pain - I don't have back injuries from Xtreme Dancing which I am trying to control enough to enable me to continue dancing!

There probably is not a "safe" dosage that would make such a thing possible.

And obviously, I do not have the kind of resources at my disposal that would permit me to obtain unsafe dosages even if I wanted them, much less attempt to treat my sleep disorder with general anesthesia,

I'm just saying I can feel him. And if they will tell the truth, so can a whole lot of other people who have to Take Pills!
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A very dear friend who suffered from endometriosis for many years became a full blown "addict" on a substance which was merely a progression of the pain meds she was prescribed.

Whether desiring the scrawl of a doctor's prescription or a "dirty street drug," so many people suffer. I have only compassion for those who endure chronic pain and chronic sleep disturbance. Anyone who has that kind of pain, whether psychic or physical, surely becomes desperate for relief.
 
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kaka said:
Katel sweetie hugs to you :hugs: i know exactly how you feel :hugs:
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thank you sweetheart :hugs: big hugs back


Katherine is the legal guardian and has been granted permanent custody with $$ stipends:

http://www.comcast.net/articles/music/20090803/US.Jackson.Estate/

I would love to know how involved Joe is with Katherine's life and how involved he will be with Michael's kids and Michael's money.

also, re: toxicology reports, I think the authorities are withholding the results so they can continue to build a legal case against someone.
 
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Is she saying what I think she's saying?

Michael Jackson's grieving mother Katherine gave some revealing insights concerning possible charges against the Thriller singer's live-in doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray, as well as her relationship with controversial ex-husband Joe, in an interview with Geraldo Rivera on Fox News Sunday...

She also cleared up misconceptions surrounding her relationship with husband Joe and his place in the family- including the rumor that he was barred from visiting the grandchildren.

"I don't know why they're saying he's not being allowed in the house," she said. "My husband's never done nothing of the sort that they trying to say he did 39 years ago. I don't understand that, and I just believe it's something that they cooked up."
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http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...don’t-think-michael-died-natural-causes
 
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LovinMyMulberry & bnjj, I am sorry for your losses, your sharing of them reminds us that it's not just those of us with the long-term, chronic conditions who are liable to understand very intimately MJ's desire for anesthesia. With the pain of great loss, that desire is basically a healthy reaction to an unhealthy situation!

Hally, I hope your friend was able to get help, sadly her story is not uncommon at all, and it is exactly the kind of counter-productive result that is obtained when the issue is tossed out into the political arena, which results in doctors being hesitant about prescribing enough medication to control pain, or making the process of getting the medication so costly and difficult that patients turn to the streets, which increases demand on the street, which causes the street price to rise, which tells us more than we may have wanted to know about just why some of these regulations get put into effect.

The voter-appeasement aspect could be taken care of with some prettily-worded gesture legislation, as does occur with issues where real regulation might be perceived as less "industry friendly" by the companies who actually write the laws. (some may prefer to view this as the companies' way of "giving back").

While the issue is solidly and truly one of business, though it should, in my controversial opinion, be solely one of medicine, because of the inevitable mention of the political aspect, I will now sit on my hands because I do not want to break the rules, if indeed, I haven't already done so! :p
 
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^^^ Cat, she would actually be calling virtually all of them liars, including, unless I am mistaken, the daughter who will almost certainly be the primary caregiver, and who, again, if I am not mistaken, lives with her today.

I remember hearing Old Joe referred to as "estranged" a couple of times immediately after Michael passed, and wondered if it might have been something sort of tossed out there by somebody, hoping to deflect potential issues with child services in light of his past.

I can understand how it might be an extremely painful subject, even a confusing one, for the nearly 80-year-old Katherine, the product of a culture and a time, where beating children was pretty standard, not to mention that Old Joe himself might not be able to do much harm to anybody these days, which might, in Katherine's view, render the question pretty much an academic one.

The idea that any of us has human rights, especially those of us who have traditionally been considered the property of our owners, who have the right to do to or with us as they will, is a relatively new one for our species, and the first baby steps of actual implementation of the principle have occurred during Katherine's adult lifetime.

In fact, her children have been pioneers in a way, some of the first really well-known and popular celebrities to muster the courage to step up and say, yes, this is what happened, it happened to us, and here is some of the damage it did.
 
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ShimmaPuff said:
LovinMyMulberry & bnjj, I am sorry for your losses, your sharing of them reminds us that it's not just those of us with the long-term, chronic conditions who are liable to understand very intimately MJ's desire for anesthesia. With the pain of great loss, that desire is basically a healthy reaction to an unhealthy situation!

Hally, I hope your friend was able to get help, sadly her story is not uncommon at all, and it is exactly the kind of counter-productive result that is obtained when the issue is tossed out into the political arena, which results in doctors being hesitant about prescribing enough medication to control pain, or making the process of getting the medication so costly and difficult that patients turn to the streets, which increases demand on the street, which causes the street price to rise, which tells us more than we may have wanted to know about just why some of these regulations get put into effect.

The voter-appeasement aspect could be taken care of with some prettily-worded gesture legislation, as does occur with issues where real regulation might be perceived as less "industry friendly" by the companies who actually write the laws. (some may prefer to view this as the companies' way of "giving back").

While the issue is solidly and truly one of business, though it should, in my controversial opinion, be solely one of medicine, because of the inevitable mention of the political aspect, I will now sit on my hands because I do not want to break the rules, if indeed, I haven't already done so! :p
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Thank you, Shimma. My friend is amazing. She has so many funny, yet painful, stories. She is/was a hard rocking, guitar playing, throwing herself into the crowd surfing, brilliant light in this world. She learned and suffered from it all, yet it has made her who she is today. She is sober and probably the most compassionate person I know. She is a delight and a privilege to know. I am truly blessed to have her as a friend.
 
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I know this is an old post but I just wanted to address this issue from my point of view.

vhdos said:
Then why not have kids with a black woman...
I wouldn't go so far as to say that he "wanted to be white." However, I do think it's odd that he attempted to minimize some of his african american features and chose to have children with a white woman. I have said before, and I'll say it again: I think that MJ was a tortured soul and while he may have done some things that seemed odd to me, I would never judge anything he did. As far as I'm concerned, he had his reasons and that's enough for me.
Someone commented at his memorial yesterday saying to MJ's children, "your father was not strange, what the world did to him was strange." I agree.
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vhdos said:
I disagree. I don't think deciding on who to have children with is ever "coincidence"
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Like someone said earlier, Debbie Rowe offered to bare his children because Lisa Marie didn't want to have any more kids, as she had kids of her own. Why bare 'him' children that are not really his? Then there's the claim that he specifically wanted white children. Than wouldn't he have been contempt with Lisa Marie's 'white' children? This is where the white theory fails. He wanted to be a father. You don't make offer to make someone a father by having someone else's sperm inseminated, lol.

Martin Bashir asked if he would ever have children with a black woman and he said 'of course'. Michael loved all children, to say he didn't want to have any black children [of his own] is foolish.

What is also foolish is to compare his brother's children to his. His brother's children all have black american, black hispanic and/or some other 'ethnic' women as mothers, so of course they look nothing like Michael's sons or daughter, who are half white.

Believe me, if Diana Ross was still fertile and offered to have Michael's children he'd jump at the chance. (MJ was very much in love with her; he even wanted to marry her). He even put her in his will to take care of his children should had something happen to Katherine.
 
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i was under the impression that Michael was girl crazy and had multiple crushes. lol

he was shy and gentle and all that other stuff, but he was still a man. So Im sure that he had alot of "groupie" love back then and even before his death. lol Probably even more during the Thriller years.

i thought of something. the reason why Diana ross was mentioned in the will was probably because she was the godmother of the children??
 
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