How to know if you are a good candidate for facial contouring.

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I have been getting alot of people ask me this recently so I figure Ill do a post with photos explaining in as detailed as possible. An ideal candidate for facial contouring is someone who meets the following criteria:

1) Relatively small facial bones
2) Thin tissues (thick tissues can conceal the contour of the final result)
3) Protruding facial bones (Note that there's a difference between having a big face because your facial bones are overall naturally wide, versus having a big face because your facial bones are protruding.


If you look at the first photo, the red line depicts the point in which actual facial bone protrusion is present. This should give indication of how much bone manipulation is possible. The surgeon can realistically only resect the bones within this guideline. The reason why the surgeon cannot go beyond this limitation is because doing so will damage the facial nerves and connective tissues, including the motor nerves. Damaging motor serves = you look like you have a stroke. Note the location of the facial nerves in the Diagram picture. But also note that facial nerves also run under the bone too through to the inner cheek wall.

Now for the zygoma reduction many surgeons will explain it to the patient as "pushing in" the bone. What they really mean is, resection is performed via a clean fracture which then reattaches the bone with titanium wiring, screws or patented pin (depending on the technique used). The limitaton to which the width of the zygoma can be reduced is towards the temple line.

When it comes to mandible reduction, the surgeon cannot "push" the bones inwards. That's not possible because of how lower jaw is connected to the upper jaw AND there are huge motor nerves running through that region. Bear in mind that width is only altered via bone resection IF there is protrusion. A patient with no bone protusion will only yield changes in the SHAPE of their square jaw and NOT the width. However, even if a patient has no bone protrusion at the mandible angle and has overall naturally wide facial bones like the asian lady in the picture (her face isnt actually considered big btw but I used that picture to depict facial bones which are NOT ideal for facial contouring), if width is partially due to jaw MUSCLES, then jaw botox will make a noticable improvement. Patients with bone structures like the asian lady really dont have much room to "push" the zygoma inwards, nor will they see width improvements from mandible resection, only a change in shape will be yielded. Once more, the width can be reduced via botox IF strong and large facial muscles are present.

I also edited the picture of the actress to give an idea of how much change is possible for someone who is an ideal candidate, by changing her features according to her anatomical structural guidelines. In constrast if you look at the facial structure of the asian lady, I am sure you can tell the differences and why a patient with her structure would never yield much improvement.

Another important thing to note

If you are NOT an ideal candidate, be prepared to expect premature aging. There is a reason why these procedures are seldom performed on older patients. Premature aging / sagging is dependant on the follow:

1) Does the patient have bone protusion?
2) The laxity of the patient's facial muscles/tissues. Remember, the bones are the structure holding these in place. Once this has been altered sagging will occur in both ideal and non-ideal candiates. However those who are NOT ideal candidates will experience premature aging to a greater extent
3) age of the patient as these coincides with point number 2.

Note: Premature aging / sagging is may not be noticeable soon after surgery. Some notice it a year after surgery, whilst some take longer to notice it. It just depends on the laxity of your facial muscles / tissues. I only noticed my jowels sagging well over a year after my surgery.

So at the end of the day its for the patient to have realistic expectations, and consider "IF i am not the ideal candidate, am I willing to undergo these procedures knowing my results will not be the most ideal AND I will have to deal with premature aging at some point". I personally believe if the patient is mentally prepared to have a face lift later on, then it shouldnt be much of an issue. However, note that the facelift should not be done at the same time or too soon after facial contouring. For example, Mrsking who used to be active here years ago, did her facial contouring and lifting at the same time and ended up with inaccurate results from the facelift. The ONLY form of lifting you can do at the same time ONLY works for together with the zygoma reduction. Its called a periostiem lift and it mitigates sagging which occurs post zygoma reduction. It does not address the jowels. Hence, given that, its probably best to just do a full on smas lift seperately as a the smas will address both the upper and lower face / jowels at the same time.

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Can anything be done to make the asian lady's face less flat looking - like adding browbone height or dimension in temple area and cheekbones? I feel like adding dimension will make the face look less flat and big
 
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Can anything be done to make the asian lady's face less flat looking - like adding browbone height or dimension in temple area and cheekbones? I feel like adding dimension will make the face look less flat and big

Not in her specific case but she can do a mandible reduction to make her jaw less square and use botox to narrow the jaw but improvements are limited as she isnt an ideal facial contouring candidate. The difference between caucasian and asian facial anatomy tends be a few miliimeters in bone DEPTH. These few militers make a huge diifference in facial dimension. Unfortunately you cannot add any bone depth to any one singular portion of the face to make a change since this difference is present throughout the entire skull. For example, caucasians tend to have longer jaws which project OUTWARDS. This is what bone depth really is. Actress like sandra bullock, jlo, angelina you can really see the definition in the jaw line due to the extent of their facial bone depth. Whilst east asians do not have this outward projection but rather the facial bones tend to project more sideways instead which gives a wider appearance. There is no way for an asian person to ever that that kind of facial dimension in the jaws because its not humanly possible to extend one's jaw outward. Its anatomically impossible. When jaw implants are used for example, it can only be attached to the SIDE which gives a wider more masculine appeance. This works well for caucasian men, not so much for asians.

You may be wondering "why not use fat graft or implant for more facial dimension". The problem here is a few issues:

1) the difference in bone depth doesnt just involve the facial bone structure. What it really means is the relationship to which the facial bones are connected to muscle and soft tissue which creates the dimensional shape. For example, a caucasian person with more bone depth would also have their facial muscles sit in an anatomically difference manner to an asian person who has flat features like that asian lady. Therefore by using an implant or fat graft, all you will be doing is adding volume. You will not be obtaining what that difference in bone depth truly entails as it doesnt alter how the depth of facial bones affect the holding position of the muscles and soft tissue.

2) therefore adding volume via fg or implants only does just that....giving more volume to your face. and in the asian lady's case, she really doesnt need more volume. It will just make her face look more chubby. Which brings us to the next point

3) Asians have thicker skin and more fatty tissue than caucasians. This is why we age more slowly but its also why using fat graft or implants or fillers in an attempt to achieve more facial dimension often ends in failure in patients with the asian lady's facial bone structure. When surgeons recommend fg for patients with wide flat features, all youre really doing is strategically adding more volume to a face thats already voluminous in a sense, which ends up making the face look fatter. The only time fat grafting is used successfilly is for treating sunken in faces as those as faces which actually lack volume, not faces which lack dimension.
 
Can anything be done to make the asian lady's face less flat looking - like adding browbone height or dimension in temple area and cheekbones? I feel like adding dimension will make the face look less flat and big

Oh I should add that when it comes to brow bone height, one can use hydroxyappatite granules to create a deeper eye socket (bone cement not recommended for this procedure). But hydroxy on other facial regions will just end up making the overall face more volumous instead of dimensional.
 
hi k, so nice to see you posting again. thank you so much for sharing all this with us - its been more than helpful to me for sure! without trying to push my luck, is there any chance you could do the same and go into details for liposuction and a Brazilian butt lift? some of us are also considering body procedures and i for one would really LOVEEE to hear your thoughts and advice. and if possible, share with us where is a good place to get these body procedures done given there countless clinics in korea im kinna confused :huh:. thanks again K for this we truly appreciate your insights :heart::heart::heart:
 
hi k, so nice to see you posting again. thank you so much for sharing all this with us - its been more than helpful to me for sure! without trying to push my luck, is there any chance you could do the same and go into details for liposuction and a Brazilian butt lift? some of us are also considering body procedures and i for one would really LOVEEE to hear your thoughts and advice. and if possible, share with us where is a good place to get these body procedures done given there countless clinics in korea im kinna confused :huh:. thanks again K for this we truly appreciate your insights :heart::heart::heart:

There's really not much to go into regarding lipo because its a very very simple procedure which does not belong to any surgical speciality. Basically, if a clinic advertises as a lipo speciality clinic or a surgeon claims to be a lipo specialist, it really doesn't mean anything. There is no such thing as a speciality in liposuction under the medical discipline. A surgeon for example, would be looked down upon if he introduces himself to other surgeons as a lipo specialist because that makes absolutely no sense since it doesnt exist. Just go to a plastic surgeon and NOT a gp doctor for it. In korea Gp doctors are legally allowed to perform liposuction and fat grafting procedure (nothing else, not even dei). But gp doctors do not have the same training and understanding in anatomy as plastic surgeons.

For bbl I've found many korean surgeons tend to prefer using silicone implants. Ive even had some recommend using breast implants to me for the buttock augmentation-_-. No Im not kidding lol. The reason they give is that asian patients usually lack the body fat for the bbl to be significant and long lasting. I cant remember but it should be minimum of 400 cc, (200 each side). And many asian women do not have that large an amount. I do know a popular clinic for the bbl in korea is pitangui. The owner trained under Dr Ivo Pitanguy(hence why the name of the clinic is pitanui). Ivo Pitanguy is the brazilian surgeon who pioneered the brazilian butt lift. Its worth looking into imo
 
There's really not much to go into regarding lipo because its a very very simple procedure which does not belong to any surgical speciality. Basically, if a clinic advertises as a lipo speciality clinic or a surgeon claims to be a lipo specialist, it really doesn't mean anything. There is no such thing as a speciality in liposuction under the medical discipline. A surgeon for example, would be looked down upon if he introduces himself to other surgeons as a lipo specialist because that makes absolutely no sense since it doesnt exist. Just go to a plastic surgeon and NOT a gp doctor for it. In korea Gp doctors are legally allowed to perform liposuction and fat grafting procedure (nothing else, not even dei). But gp doctors do not have the same training and understanding in anatomy as plastic surgeons.

For bbl I've found many korean surgeons tend to prefer using silicone implants. Ive even had some recommend using breast implants to me for the buttock augmentation-_-. No Im not kidding lol. The reason they give is that asian patients usually lack the body fat for the bbl to be significant and long lasting. I cant remember but it should be minimum of 400 cc, (200 each side). And many asian women do not have that large an amount. I do know a popular clinic for the bbl in korea is pitangui. The owner trained under Dr Ivo Pitanguy(hence why the name of the clinic is pitanui). Ivo Pitanguy is the brazilian surgeon who pioneered the brazilian butt lift. Its worth looking into imo

thank you for this! pre pandemic i was looking into dr hong from dream. although im not sure if he does bbl. but now he left and started his own practice elsewhere so while i wait for the pandemic to get (hopefully) somewhat better i have plenty of time do research. may i dm u real fast? thanks again k!
 
already voluminous in a sense, which ends up making the face look fatter. The only time fat grafting is used successfilly is for treating

Going to ask anyway: is there a way to add bone depth to achieve the dimensional look? Or maybe get rid of the fat that's making the face look bulky? I do have fat cheeks but no bones holding them up in front like caucasian faces, it's just flat in front, the cheekbones are at the side area.

My face from the profile view is really flat, forehead/cheekbones and even nose area, I want it more convex instead of the concave look rn.

In pretty faces, their side view, you can't see the other half of the face because it's very dimensional but in my case and most Asians, you can see the other eye and other half of the face cuz it's so flat.
 
I don't think wide faces are ugly in and of themselves because how do you explain Miranda Kerr? And Kendall Jenner looks better than Bella Hadid's ultra narrow face. I think the lack of facial dimension is what makes it look ugly - because even if a person has a narrow face, if the features are not properly arranged and it's flat, it's not going to be more aesthetic.

So the solution is not so much shaving down bones - although that helps to an extent, but to find out how I can add dimension to my asian face without looking bulky.
 
Lmao forgive my shizo ranting, but just to illustrate: the girl in the photo has cheekbones that "stick out" (more than mine even!) and a strong square jawline but despite that I think we can all agree that she's beautiful. So why is it the same features don't translate well on an Asian face?

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The only difference between her face and mine is that I lack frontal facial definition, when I smile, there's no bone upholding my front cheeks, it's just fat pushing up. I also have the same square jaw but on me it just looks like an iceberg and like I have slight underbite, definitely not as proportional plus I think I have more fat padding. So cheekbones and strong jawlines are not the real problem.

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Going to ask anyway: is there a way to add bone depth to achieve the dimensional look? Or maybe get rid of the fat that's making the face look bulky? I do have fat cheeks but no bones holding them up in front like caucasian faces, it's just flat in front, the cheekbones are at the side area.

My face from the profile view is really flat, forehead/cheekbones and even nose area, I want it more convex instead of the concave look rn.

In pretty faces, their side view, you can't see the other half of the face because it's very dimensional but in my case and most Asians, you can see the other eye and other half of the face cuz it's so flat.

There's no way to add bone depth like I explained before here:

Unfortunately you cannot add any bone depth to any one singular portion of the face to make a change since this difference is present throughout the entire skull. For example, caucasians tend to have longer jaws which project OUTWARDS. This is what bone depth really is. Actress like sandra bullock, jlo, angelina you can really see the definition in the jaw line due to the extent of their facial bone depth. Whilst east asians do not have this outward projection but rather the facial bones tend to project more sideways instead which gives a wider appearance. There is no way for an asian person to ever that that kind of facial dimension in the jaws because its not humanly possible to extend one's jaw outward. Its anatomically impossible. When jaw implants are used for example, it can only be attached to the SIDE which gives a wider more masculine appeance. This works well for caucasian men, not so much for asians.

and here:

1) the difference in bone depth doesnt just involve the facial bone structure. What it really means is the relationship to which the facial bones are connected to muscle and soft tissue which creates the dimensional shape. For example, a caucasian person with more bone depth would also have their facial muscles sit in an anatomically difference manner to an asian person who has flat features like that asian lady.

I've actually attempted what you are asking before btw. Ive used hydroxyappattite for my mid cheek and zygomatic angle. Ended up having it removed because while I did get a more angular face, it also made my face more voluminous. My original face was wide and boxy with a very square jaw. The difference is it wasn't flat like the asian lady in the photo, for example, I have naturally deep sockets. I wanted an angelina face pretty much but ive learnt now after my trial and error surgeries of adding and removing, that it isnt possible.
 
Lmao forgive my shizo ranting, but just to illustrate: the girl in the photo has cheekbones that "stick out" (more than mine even!) and a strong square jawline but despite that I think we can all agree that she's beautiful. So why is it the same features don't translate well on an Asian face?

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The only difference between her face and mine is that I lack frontal facial definition, when I smile, there's no bone upholding my front cheeks, it's just fat pushing up. I also have the same square jaw but on me it just looks like an iceberg and like I have slight underbite, definitely not as proportional plus I think I have more fat padding. So cheekbones and strong jawlines are not the real problem.

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the reason is bone depth at the end of the day. Like I mentioned earlier, its not just about adding something to a few parts to the face. the difference in bone depth doesnt just involve the facial bone structure. What it really means is the relationship to which the facial bones are connected to muscle and soft tissue which creates the dimensional shape. So if you add volume via implant, fg, hydroxy, you are really doing just that. Adding more volume. You are not changing the manner to which the bones are connected to the muscle and soft tissue.

And remember you can't add frontal projection to the jaw because of the anatomy of the human jaw. Thats not possible.
When jaw implants are used for example, it can only be attached to the SIDE which gives a wider more masculine appeance. This works well for caucasian men, not so much for asians.
 
I don't think wide faces are ugly in and of themselves because how do you explain Miranda Kerr? And Kendall Jenner looks better than Bella Hadid's ultra narrow face. I think the lack of facial dimension is what makes it look ugly - because even if a person has a narrow face, if the features are not properly arranged and it's flat, it's not going to be more aesthetic.

So the solution is not so much shaving down bones - although that helps to an extent, but to find out how I can add dimension to my asian face without looking bulky.

No no i never said wide faces are ugly. There's plenty of women with wide faces who are beautiful. Miranda Kerr like you mentioned is a good example. But you have to remember her face also isn't considered big, its just stronger and wider features with facial dimensions and a good degree of bone depth. Caucasians in general too, tend to have smaller skulls than asians, by a few mms. Kendall jenner also doesnt have a wide features. If we are to compare her to Bella hadid, Bella has stronger stronger features and an overall bigger skull than Kendall.

I remember having dinner with a surgeon and one of this staff. His staff was an absolutely stunning korean girl. More of an oval face but with a slight V in her chin. She commented on how big her face is which I was surprised. Then the surgeon was like "well asians often have larger skulls than caucasians and less facial bone depth. If you hypothetically have two faces with the exact face shape, except one has more bone depth, the face with less bone depth will always look bigger too." So from that statement its a combination of bone depth and overall size of one's face.

Come to think of it, I also have a taiwanese friend who has a square boxy face. Her face overall isn't small either. Its like medium to large? But Ive always thought she's gorgeous. If I were to analyze her face, id say the reason her features work is because she has good bone depth, facial dimensions AND her tissues are actually rather thin. Like if i compare her facial fat deposits AND thickness of her skin to mine, she definitely has less facial fat (except in the buccal fat region cos i had mine removed twice) and thinner skin compared to me. These two factors coupled with her naturally angular face and bone depth, despite having a bigger skull overall, gives her a nice facial contour whereby her facial features are not concealed by thick skin and fatty tissue. Unfortunately, while we can remove some degree of facial fat, skin thickness cannot be changed.

So I think essentially its:

1) thickness of skin
2) thickness of tissues
3) bone depth
4) overall size of the skull
5) degree of facial symmetry
 
Interesting discussion @KCouture. Maybe that is why Asians are getting bigger noses with silicone to add depth to their faces? A big nose makes a face look smaller. I wish my nose was as big as my Eurasian daughters, then my face would look tiny! You are right. View echoed that I was not a candidate for zygoma reduction because my cheekbones do not protrude from the sides of my face and it is my wide temples/skull which makes my face wide which cannot be altered. I definitely have a wide rounder face compared to my British counterparts.
 
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