Queuing up to get my hands on The Ordinary skincare in London today with my Lady Dior Supple...
Dudes and their Diors
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I think Pietro may push some innovative accessories at Dior, but Dior will have a different pricing strategy given that its business is now largely through company-owned concessions (except for footwear). Fendi, on the other hand, relied quite heavily on wholesale.
One of the reasons why Fendi's image may have cheapened is that the retailers that carried Fendi heavily slashed prices to get rid of merchandise. While Fendi's own boutiques and concessions only offered discounts from 30-40% off on its accessories (with some lines like the Peekaboo not going on sale), retailers like Saks, Neiman Marcus, Ssense, and others reduced prices up to 80% off in some cases.
Dior won't have this issue (except for footwear which is largely wholesale). Since it took years to reign in Dior's wholesale business so that now most of its fashion accessories are only sold through Dior-owned concessions/boutiques, I doubt Pietro will reverse that and dilute the image of the Dior brand which was (and is) so costly to control.
While Maria Grazia Chiuri's accessories team brought some amazing changes to the Lady Dior and Diorama bags, the bags that she has introduced as new styles aren't selling as well as the styles that came before her. Even here on TPF, most new reveals tend to be the Diorama and the Lady Dior. This is in contrast to the stories of Alessandro Michele and Hedi Slimane at Saint Laurent where the new styles their teams introduced (i.e. the Dionysus, Marmont, Ophidia; and the Sac de Jour, & College) became company best-sellers in a very short period of time. Maria's team has yet to bring a unique must-have bag. To be fair, though, she hasn't been at Dior as long as the other two have been at their brands (Hedi Slimane isn't even at Saint Laurent anymore), so she still has time to prove herself. I love the J'ADIOR and DIO(R)EVOLUTION bags, but I have yet to see one on anyone. Yet I've seen the bags I've listed above from Gucci and Saint Laurent everywhere in Toronto!
Perhaps these new bags will be huge hits:
If the new Saddle bag becomes a huge hit (thanks to bloggers and celebrities being spotted with the original), the success still can't be attributed to MGC. For one, it isn't even her team's own unique design. Also, it was not because she reintroduced the bag. Influencers got there first.
I completely agree! I hope more people come on board for Dior! When will these bags launch in stores? I like the simplicity of them.
Olivier was there a decade ish ago so unfortunately I don’t think he’ll be welcomed back anytime soon(don’t get me wrong, he did amazing work at Nina Ricci and Rochas).
I think Pietro may push some innovative accessories at Dior, but Dior will have a different pricing strategy given that its business is now largely through company-owned concessions (except for footwear). Fendi, on the other hand, relied quite heavily on wholesale.
One of the reasons why Fendi's image may have cheapened is that the retailers that carried Fendi heavily slashed prices to get rid of merchandise. While Fendi's own boutiques and concessions only offered discounts from 30-40% off on its accessories (with some lines like the Peekaboo not going on sale), retailers like Saks, Neiman Marcus, Ssense, and others reduced prices up to 80% off in some cases.
Dior won't have this issue (except for footwear which is largely wholesale). Since it took years to reign in Dior's wholesale business so that now most of its fashion accessories are only sold through Dior-owned concessions/boutiques, I doubt Pietro will reverse that and dilute the image of the Dior brand which was (and is) so costly to control.
While Maria Grazia Chiuri's accessories team brought some amazing changes to the Lady Dior and Diorama bags, the bags that she has introduced as new styles aren't selling as well as the styles that came before her. Even here on TPF, most new reveals tend to be the Diorama and the Lady Dior. This is in contrast to the stories of Alessandro Michele and Hedi Slimane at Saint Laurent where the new styles their teams introduced (i.e. the Dionysus, Marmont, Ophidia; and the Sac de Jour, & College) became company best-sellers in a very short period of time. Maria's team has yet to bring a unique must-have bag. To be fair, though, she hasn't been at Dior as long as the other two have been at their brands (Hedi Slimane isn't even at Saint Laurent anymore), so she still has time to prove herself. I love the J'ADIOR and DIO(R)EVOLUTION bags, but I have yet to see one on anyone. Yet I've seen the bags I've listed above from Gucci and Saint Laurent everywhere in Toronto!
Perhaps these new bags will be huge hits:
If the new Saddle bag becomes a huge hit (thanks to bloggers and celebrities being spotted with the original), the success still can't be attributed to MGC. For one, it isn't even her team's own unique design. Also, it was not because she reintroduced the bag. Influencers got there first.
As far as I know - companies’ have control on how far their wholesalers can discount their product. I recalled in the 2000s when Saks put Balenciaga MoTo bags on sale ( at a time when they DIDNT go on sale) and Balenciaga decided not to sell their bags through Saks anymore.
Also, Raf introduces many bags for Dior in his short run. Diorama is the only one that’s still generating buzz for Dior. I think MGC’s bags may not be instant hits - but her knitwear and fashion accessories are.
And also, (no disrespect at all, AJ) but Dior (women’s) doesn’t have wholesale outlets unlike Gucci and Saint Laurent. So of course, the bags won’t be everywhere as there’s a much smaller source. Clients of department stores can use their credit card and points on Gucci bag and SL but not so much with Dior.
That's what I meant. Dior won't have the same problem as brands that do wholesale like Fendi, so even if Pietro introduces accessories similar to Bag Bugs and StrapYous at Dior, and they end up with surplus stock, they won't be heavily discounted.
Brands are not allowed to tell wholesales outlets how much they must sell the product for, at least here in Canada. They can only have a suggested retail price. Yes, they have the right to stop supplying a vendor if they believe the vendor is negatively influencing their image (i.e. via heavy discounting), but so far I've seen Fendi, Saint Laurent, and other brands get heavily discounted on Ssense and at Holt Renfrew, and they continue to sell those brands.
I do recall Balenciaga bags being hard to find on discount, especially their classics, but now, their staples like the City go on sale all the time. I think that may have affected their resale values.
The bag pictured at the top and bottom should be available in May (Pre-fall). The one in the middle should be available after July (Fall).
I LOVE the bags pictured in the middle and at the bottom.
I love the first one! I know the first time it debuted it had a chain strap over the fabric strap.
Considering this over a Diorama
Are you referring to an Outlet store? By wholesale, I meant department stores (not leased locations) owning Dior products - so you won’t really find Dior at Barneys or Saks fifth avenue (unless it’s a leased location, in that case those products are still owned by Dior and not the retail store, with a very few exceptions).
Department stores don’t have Dior handbags in the mix of other designer handbags (just like Louis Vuitton).
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I think it still comes with a chain strap - though for the runway they presented it with fabric strap.
And you already know how I feel about it [emoji8][emoji6][emoji6]
yes,
we have a multi-brand store in my place, they sell Dior as well. They have a better discount than a boutique in Amsterdam.
Do they sell Dior shoes at this multi-brand store, or their handbags as well? In Canada, only Dior shoes are available at multi-brand retailers like Saks and Holt Renfrew, and they can discount these brands better than boutique shoe sales. Bags are only available in company-owned concessions, and they never go on sale here.
yes they do, I bought my boots 60% off, when I was in that outlet in Florence, I saw the same boots 40% off, I was told that sale policy is only 40% off.
no they don't sell Dior handbags but they sell bijou and scarves.
Yeah the company-owned stores tend to do smaller discounts than the multi-brand stores which just mark down and down to clear merchandise.
You're lucky that the multi-brand store sells costume jewelry and scarves. Great way to get them on discount when the store has a sale.