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I ended up returning the bags. Once I compared them to my older flos the difference was obvious. Seems hastily sewn together and liberal use of leather glue. Seams weren’t as nice and just lower quality thinner pieces. Maybe they were mass produced for qvc, lower quality for sure. Just not made well at all, even the sewn seams were a bit off like the machines they’re using are different to sew. Strange and certainly not worth 300 plus.