I don't have to presume anything. I know for a fact you don't know what addiction is like for Demi. So your opinions on her really have no validity.
It's quite clear you have no sympathy. I'm just astounded that you're so proud of it.
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I don't have to presume anything. I know for a fact you don't know what addiction is like for Demi. So your opinions on her really have no validity.
It's quite clear you have no sympathy. I'm just astounded that you're so proud of it.
maybe a bit OT but we know someone who seems to be addicted to sugar. He is overweight, diabetic and recently had part of a toe cut off. His feet hurt intensely all of the time. Yet he still drinks large sized sugary soda all the time. Hard to understand you'd like Coca Cola better than your feet. But apparently he can't stop.
An addiction to xanax is completely different from an addiction to heroin...that's not to discredit anyone who has an addiction because it impacts people differently. Once people have heroin the first time they are immediately addicted regardless or an addictive personality or not. Even when they want to stop their body actually needs it....IIRC, even going through treatment they still have to give you heroin to bring you down slowly....it's not something the body can take going cold turkey. It makes it very hard to kick an addiction when your body can literally shut down because you're no longer taking that drug.
I read she was given Narcan at the scene but her family said it wasn't heroin. I wish her well, I can't imagine that struggle. If she wrote a song saying she was no longer sober..it was recorded, produced and released..during all that time, I could only imagine things would have gone downhill from the initial time she fell off the wagon.
Just to be clear, yes she is famous and talented but why on earth would that mean she has to be happy? I'm sure she's extremely thankful for where she is but that doesn't overshadow the fact that she's struggled with depression since she was a child and she is bipolar. People seem to be making judgment before making an effort to understand her life.
How could someone not be sympathetic to others when they're going through something difficult? Why would you blame her for losing a battle she has been fighting consistently FOR 6 YEARS. 6 years! Clearly her sobriety is something she takes very seriously. It is really so hard to wish the best for others?
How could someone not be sympathetic to others when they're going through something difficult? Why would you blame her for losing a battle she has been fighting consistently FOR 6 YEARS. 6 years! Clearly her sobriety is something she takes very seriously. It is really so hard to wish the best for others?
I didn't know she was bipolar.
These poor Disney/Nickelodeon girls have gone through some sh!t.
Just look at Britney, Britney's sister, Lindsey Lohan, Demi, Amanda Bynes....
For sure there has been some exploitation/sexual abuse. Just Dan Schneider to start with.
Addiction is an equalizer. It doesn't matter how much money one has or what they have access to, sobriety is a life long battle for anyone who has had a serious addiction.
I've spoken before about coworkers that I've seen use coke recreationally and I never understood how most of them could still function and not be addicted. However, what I've learned and realized is that you first have to start with an addictive personality; once you find your trigger, it's damn near impossible to stop.
A friend of mine lost his wife due to drug use spawned on from PPD. Prior to, she barely drank alcohol but as the efficacy of the depression meds wore off because her tolerance grew stronger, she got stronger treatment and then it snowballed. This is how it starts with many people; instead of receiving the proper mental health help she truly needed upfront, she was given half assed treatment coupled with drugs. Eventually she started abusing pills because it gave her relief even though she loved her children desperately and was always a great mom, the momentary break from her depression seemed to outweigh everything after awhile. That was also when I learned what true depression looks like in person....this was a woman who I would never have guessed would put her kids second to anything and here she was putting pills before them.
It's easy to say people are making a choice, they're being stupid or that they're not taking sobriety seriously if they fall back down. All of that is true when it comes to taking that very first drink/pill. However, that's not the reality of addiction. The reality is that it starts small and builds on itself. By the time someone is an addict, in many cases, they don't even know how they got to that position. Anyone who takes a medication or has a cocktail makes themselves susceptible to addiction...all it takes sometimes is that pill a dr prescribed for a surgery, migraine, chronic pain, depression, ADHD, etc.
Sobriety is a lifetime treatment.
I've spoken before about coworkers that I've seen use coke recreationally and I never understood how most of them could still function and not be addicted. However, what I've learned and realized is that you first have to start with an addictive personality; once you find your trigger, it's damn near impossible to stop.
A friend of mine lost his wife due to drug use spawned on from PPD. Prior to, she barely drank alcohol but as the efficacy of the depression meds wore off because her tolerance grew stronger, she got stronger treatment and then it snowballed. This is how it starts with many people; instead of receiving the proper mental health help she truly needed upfront, she was given half assed treatment coupled with drugs. Eventually she started abusing pills because it gave her relief even though she loved her children desperately and was always a great mom, the momentary break from her depression seemed to outweigh everything after awhile. That was also when I learned what true depression looks like in person....this was a woman who I would never have guessed would put her kids second to anything and here she was putting pills before them.
It's easy to say people are making a choice, they're being stupid or that they're not taking sobriety seriously if they fall back down. All of that is true when it comes to taking that very first drink/pill. However, that's not the reality of addiction. The reality is that it starts small and builds on itself. By the time someone is an addict, in many cases, they don't even know how they got to that position. Anyone who takes a medication or has a cocktail makes themselves susceptible to addiction...all it takes sometimes is that pill a dr prescribed for a surgery, migraine, chronic pain, depression, ADHD, etc.
Sobriety is a lifetime treatment.
Alcoholics have to learn to stay sober around people who drink alcohol. Food addicts have to learn how to not overeat when food is necessary to survive. Drug addicts have to learn how to not abuse drugs when they have a headache. They have to learn how to function in social situations; sitting in the house and never interacting with people ever again is not realistic.
The reality is she's in Hollywood and drugs are abundant....hell they're abundant in corporate America, local bars, our kid's schools and just about everywhere you go on a daily basis. Does she have responsibility for her own sobriety? Absolutely, no one can force her to stay sober. Is sobriety hard? Absolutely, people enter it often with good intentions. Do many people fall off their sobriety? Of course, for varying reasons.
We're not all given the same coping mechanisms in life. Some cope better than others. Some stay sober on the first try, some relapse and some die.
I truly wish her and other addicts well. It's very sad to watch and I know personally I felt just as helpless and often hopeless when dealing with an addict as I did watching a loved one waste away from cancer.
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Demi Lovato & Wilmer Valderrama ‘Shed Tears’ In Hospital: He’s Supporting Her After Alleged Overdose
I’m intimately acquainted with addiction, that’s why this pisses me off. Call me judgmental and insensitive, idc. I’ve seen the addict choose their drugs over their loved ones and their health, time and time and time again. It destroys the user and everyone around them. It’s unbelievably selfish, especially if it started with recreational drug use.
I wish her the best, but I also wish she’d stay away from the people and the things that cause relapse. She knows the triggers by now.
You come across hurt, bitter and resentful to addiction, which is understandable to me. I'm sorry for your experience.
When you're close to it, how you're expressing you're feelings is totally understandable. I'm not going to negate that with a 'but' or 'however'. We all cope differently, the addict and those impacted by the addict; we all have different coping mechanisms. Being pissed and insensitive is perfectly understandable and IMO a very natural reaction. Addiction is very selfish, I agree, although I think the behavior of addicts is mostly fueled by the drugs taking control.
I grew up in the west indies and never really heard of anyone addicted to weed, which was always recreational from my perspective, but come to the US and folks painted it as a gateway drug. I was baffled for so long but I quickly realized that drug usage here is so different than outside of this country. I also found that drinking alcohol was so taboo at a younger age. I used to get a little wine for holidays and special events since 13, if not younger, which I found is pearl clutching here. With all of that said, I didn't see binge drinking and drug abuse there as much as I do here. These days it's a bit different as western ways have been adopted.
I say all of that to say, how much of what we do to try to protect and be puritanical actually harms in the long run? Save for the lack of mental health treatment.
Exactly! I hope the day comes when all people know this!
No. You don't understand, you have sealed that by saying there's no excuse. I hope you or someone you love never has to deal with depression and/or addiction.