Celine price increase

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#301
I think part of the reason why this thread turned into a trainwreck is because in my view there are 2 issues, Celines price increases and resellers.

Now with resellers, there are good and bad ones. The good ones are very good and do profit but they add an amount most do not mind paying and they provide a great service and they are flexible. The bad ones are downright greedy and it always makes me chuckle when I see their sorry "choices" sticking on the bay holding their capital :laugh:. I imagine that the good resellers are the ones that have commented on this thread so far.

The price increases are greedy but that is business, the majority of you all purchased your bags before Celine HQ started taking greedy drugs so you should be fine. Just my view.
 
#304
sarah7487 said:
Let's just agree to disagree; or else this thread is gonna end up to be a battlefield of words
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:tup: Agree. Everyone is entitled to feel the way they do. No one is 100% right or 100% wrong in this situation. No point to try and change other people's mind or prove that "your" opinion is the right one.

Let's move on. Price increases suck, period, but it's inevitable for any popular "it" brand. The heated debate about re-sellers will never end. Let's all do ourselves a favor and enjoy the bags we do have...
 
#305
naling said:
My friend who worked in the buying office of Saks told me that sometimes Saks will put restrictions on how many of one item a single person can buy (you can see the notices sometimes online for certain products), and that the purpose IS to deter people from buying up all the stock of a popular item and then reselling them for profit. I also used to work for a popular luxury jewelry company in the legal department, and one of the main concerns was how to stop counterfeiters and people from buying too much and taking it to other countries to resell, and putting limitations on how many a person could buy was definitely discussed heavily.

Now, it make sense to me if that's why Celine is putting restrictions on the number of bags a person can buy, and I guess that exponentially increasing the price every few months could go hand-in-hand with that, but it's likely a combination of all the things people have brought up already: deterring resellers, capitalizing on the "IT" bag status, wanting to become a more exclusive brand, etc etc. What seems to be a little unreal about the Celine price increases in particular is their frequency. I think Jenay said it earlier (correct me if I'm wrong), but if they keep going down this path, they will soon alienate a lot of their fans and following - the way that Chanel has for many. They may not be a "new" house, but their popularity is due entirely to Phoebe Philo, and what if she decides to leave them? Their insane prices for IMPERFECT quality (see: complaints about the lining, complaints about the black edging being painted on funny) will be a long and painful fall for the company. Isn't that similar to what happened to Chloe? POPULAR BAG, CRAZY DEMAND, PHOEBE PHILO! Then she left, and it was, ehhh this bag is heavy, ehhh the quality isn't SO great, ehhh...there are other better brands out there.

Okay, that's all I really have to say. I hope people can step back from being so upset and go back to the heart of the purseforum - good discussions and unhealthy obsessions with bags.
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Thank you for bringing levity to this situation, intended or unintended. So true about Chloe. I don't know how many times I've complained about my Paddington, heavy blah blah blah. It was heavy when I bought it for Pete's sake:laugh: Ms. Philo is a real genius. Everything the woman creates becomes the next big thing; hopefully a classic in time. Let's get back to the unhealthy obsessing over handbags, as you've said:woohoo:
 
#307
naling said:
I hope people can step back from being so upset and go back to the heart of the purseforum - good discussions and unhealthy obsessions with bags.
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Amen!


Syma said:
Returning back to topic, it is us as consumers that are driving up the price of a brand, we can be as mad as we like at the brand/shops/resellers but it is marketing. Brands thrive on waiting lists and purposely create them As soon as an item whether is is a bag like the luggage/birkin/jumbo etc or a watch or even a car becomes waitlisted it's desirable. We are driven by our need to have what we can't have, it is part of human nature. The price of the said item will reflect it's desirability, it has little to do with the quality of the item. As I stated in my previous post if many people looking for Celine bags don't buy them any more because of the increased prices as many pfrmers have stated in their posts, then Celine won't increase at such a rapid rate as it has for the last couple of seasons. However it is only in the last couple of seasons that there have been long waitlists for certain bags etc which is why Celine increased it's price. The same thing happens at Chanel and at Hermes, Despite the ever increasing prices people still want a Chanel flap especially in HTF colours and Kellys and Birkins (which incidentally can't be normally found but just walking into a store unless you are in Tokyo where they are much more expensive than other parts of the world). Therefore we can be as mad as we like at each other and resellers and Celine but at the end of the day as long as we are buying the bags and waitlisting for them and paying the prices they will keep increasing.
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Genious. . .

littlerock said:
The argument about reselling has been going on for ages and in most subforums it has been hashed out to death and in some, it isn't allowed at all. People's feelings on reselling usually have to do with personal experience. No matter how you look at it, you are not right and you are not wrong. Do resellers hope that they will make a huge profit on people who don't have access to that bag? YES. Do resellers help some people gain access to bags that normally might not be able to buy a bag? YES.

Let's all try to remember that what we are posting is our opinions. Unless someone here works for Celine and helps run the company from the top, you can't really say what they don't or do care about.
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Great way to sum up the points, remind us of the rules, and get this thread back on track. . .ingeniously stated.

ilsecita said:
If people don't want to deal with resellers they won't.

Simple and beautiful economics. Let's not get all worked up and arguing with each other about it. Some comments that have been made are borderline catty. :hugs:
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Yes!



Sammyjoe said:
I think part of the reason why this thread turned into a trainwreck is because in my view there are 2 issues, Celines price increases and resellers.

Now with resellers, there are good and bad ones. The good ones are very good and do profit but they add an amount most do not mind paying and they provide a great service and they are flexible. The bad ones are downright greedy and it always makes me chuckle when I see their sorry "choices" sticking on the bay holding their capital :laugh:. I imagine that the good resellers are the ones that have commented on this thread so far.

The price increases are greedy but that is business, the majority of you all purchased your bags before Celine HQ started taking greedy drugs so you should be fine. Just my view.
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Great way to state your opinion without getting personal.
sarah7487 said:
Let's just agree to disagree; or else this thread is gonna end up to be a battlefield of words
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#308
Good and healthy discussion. I do like that we can share different opinion in a healthy way.

I am still baffled by the price increase, however I do understand. Companies will price until no one buys because if you don't find that point, you are leaving money on the table. You never know how long your "it" status will last, particularly in fashion, therefore you probably need to make as much as you can as quickly as you can. I don't like it, but I can't really knock it.

Unfortunately, I will still buy the bag because I like it and it gives me joy to own it. hopefully, I won't sacrifice my future child's college education to do that.

The purchase limit is interesting to me. I think I may have already broke it this month alone. :greengrin::greengrin:
 
#312
Well here are some positive reminders: bergdorf Goodman has not increased their prices yet and just got a huge shipment of luggages, phantoms, trapezes, and more! The Celine BH Boutique will keep prices as is until Spring bags ship. Places like AFF, Malleries and other consignment shops sell Celine for great prices.
 
#313
fandmcarebear said:
Sorry for making everyone read this craziness.....we will end it here, We all love Celine, at least we have that in common :D
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Seriously, I just read through the last few pages and I didn't find the discussion crazy. I'm sorry if some felt it got too personal, to me it was merely two different opinions, very well explained by both parties. :smile1:

I'd be curious to know from Céline what the intention behind the price increases is, especially since they are uncommonly frequent. Very logical suggestions have been made in this thread, I can see a lot of them being true. I'm also not sure it is the best move from a brand that is so dependend on its main designer… That they even canceled their upcoming fashion show due to her pregnancy just shows how much they need Philo, they do anything she wants. Which is great, because so is she!

I for one am happy I got my luggage last year for a reasonable price from a store, in the color I wanted, made of the best leather. I would not buy another one now, not for those prices and with so many complaints about decaying quality. But it makes me sad, cause I'd love all the other handbags (Box, Trapeze etc), but won't be able to afford them anymore.

I also never understand how one can pay much more than retail for a bag on ebay or Bonanza… It just seems weird. Some bags are used, others still have all the labels on them – I must admit it feels shabby to ask for more than retail, even though I agree that it is the buyers decision alone to accept those prices.

In my experience, the whole point of reselling used to be to finance another, more wanted bag once you found out the one you're selling doesn't work for you. I sold a few bags in my time, and I NEVER made any profit, not because I'm an angel, but because I simply didn't get the interest for the bags (and my bags are all very well cared for). I can not imagine buying bags just for reselling them, as I'd risk losing a lot of money.

I know things are different in the US, but here in Europe, that's how it is. You don't get more money for a bag, be it a Luggage or Chanel. You carefully decide on what you want to have, and you stick with that – or return it to the store. Truth is, there are A LOT of luggages available in Paris these days, so I've been told by recent visitors, and they are everywhere in the boutiques and department stores… So not a big chance for resellers over here.
 
#314
jennytalula said:
I also never understand how one can pay much more than retail for a bag on ebay or Bonanza… It just seems weird.
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I can totally see it. Maybe because I have done it, not by much maybe $100 or so bucks. I think if you want something that you have your heart set on, you will do what you can to get it and once you cross a certain dollar amount, another $100 probably doesn't make that much of difference. It's less than 10% of the total price.

My first Celine was from reseller for a color combo that I feel in love with. I thought the price was reasonable for something that was almost 2 seasons old and I had very little chance of finding in store. Though of course, it popped up in a Nordstrom today. Despite that, I still feel good about my purchase, because by the time I factored in tax and shipping, the price was relatively the same and not to mention I have had my bag for month now. I got the instant gratification I was looking for.

I will say I have for the very first time put bags up for sale, which I have never thought to do until now. Like you mentioned, it is really to make room for newer purchases. Given the recent price increases, I may need to do a full closet clean out. Though, I am not in it to make money, I won't turn down a buyer if they wanted to bid it up for more than retail. As long as you are paying what you think its worth to you, you are a happy customer.
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