Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[BeyondBelief]

If no one answered, that's probably because none of us currently available know the answer. I suggest you wait for @whateve. Cashin items are a specialized knowledge and one that I don't get involved with, sorry.

OK, thank you. I understand and had a feeling this might be difficult without a creed. I just can't get over the condition of these bags for how old they are represented to be, from the 1960s? They look new! But thanks, hopefully @whateve can help? Fingers crossed and thanks again.

 

[Hyacinth]

Dear Authenticators could you please take a look at this bag when you get a chance ...thanks in advance.
Item: True Vintage COACH Rambler’s Legacy 9061 Red Leather Made In USA Brass
Seller and site where listed: wildrugosa on ebay
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/325633872211
Comments: It looks genuine to me, so I'm hoping
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It appears to be genuine, but the seller is using some incorrect information in her listing regarding Coach's dating codes.

"Coach collector's especially covet bags made in the United States through the 90s. The quality of the leather and construction changed starting around the year 2000. Coach outsourced a lot of their manufacturing to China to save expenses, and the quality changed.
"How do you know the age of your bag? Prior to the 90s, each bag had a random set of numbers assigned by the maker - they don't mean anything. In the 1990s, at the base of the creed (written box of information inside of every bag, often on the pocket) you will find some letters and numbers. The first letter indicates the month the bag was made - A = January, B = February etc. The next number(s) indicate the last 1 - 2 digits of the year made - 2 = 1992, 02 = 2002,12 =2012 etc. The last letter indicates the place the bag was made - US, Costa Rica, Mexico etc. Prior to the 2000s you could expect good quality leather at most places of manufacture."

Sorry, that's not quite correct.

Coach didn't start using year codes in the serial numbers until 1994. So:
1992 and 1993 - no year codes at all.
1994 - new single-number year code format began starting with code 4 for 1994.
2002- year code was 2, NOT 02. Year code 1 stood for 2001 and 3 stood for 2003. So code 04 was 2004 when the zero had to be added, EXCEPT for a number of bags actually made in 2004 at the Costa Rica plant but since Coach didn't feel the need to spend the money to upgrade that plant's stamping mechanisms, Costa Rica was forced to stamp bags made in that year with the old stamps that still used the single number 4, which can cause a lot of confusion.

Don't ever assume that sellers have accurate information.

 

[Hyacinth]

Friend of mine on a Discord message group found this at the thrift.
May I have it authenticated for her please.
Item Double sided bag
Thank you

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Genuine Twin Clutch, style 9380 from the mid-1980s. Here's the description from a 1986 catalog:

 

[Hyacinth]

Oh I just found this saddle-colored bag previously authenticated here! The strap changing is OK from what I read here? I'm hopeful now!

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It's genuine.

 

[Hyacinth]

Wondering about the authencity of this bag. It's thrifted. I took a chance because the measurements, creed, and most features *seemed* right but the leather feels strange and the strap provided is incorrect for a 9755. (It has dogleash hardware, not a lobster claw.) Interior pocket is present but not shown.

9.5w x 5.75h x 2 deep.

Any insight would be much appreciated! TiA.

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Genuine and made in 1996

 

[Greenie55]

It's genuine.

Oh thank you very much!

 

[Narnanz]

Genuine Twin Clutch, style 9380 from the mid-1980s. Here's the description from a 1986 catalog:

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Thank you...she will be thrilled

 

[Tilis]

It appears to be genuine, but the seller is using some incorrect information in her listing regarding Coach's dating codes.

"Coach collector's especially covet bags made in the United States through the 90s. The quality of the leather and construction changed starting around the year 2000. Coach outsourced a lot of their manufacturing to China to save expenses, and the quality changed.
"How do you know the age of your bag? Prior to the 90s, each bag had a random set of numbers assigned by the maker - they don't mean anything. In the 1990s, at the base of the creed (written box of information inside of every bag, often on the pocket) you will find some letters and numbers. The first letter indicates the month the bag was made - A = January, B = February etc. The next number(s) indicate the last 1 - 2 digits of the year made - 2 = 1992, 02 = 2002,12 =2012 etc. The last letter indicates the place the bag was made - US, Costa Rica, Mexico etc. Prior to the 2000s you could expect good quality leather at most places of manufacture."

Sorry, that's not quite correct.

Coach didn't start using year codes in the serial numbers until 1994. So:
1992 and 1993 - no year codes at all.
1994 - new single-number year code format began starting with code 4 for 1994.
2002- year code was 2, NOT 02. Year code 1 stood for 2001 and 3 stood for 2003. So code 04 was 2004 when the zero had to be added, EXCEPT for a number of bags actually made in 2004 at the Costa Rica plant but since Coach didn't feel the need to spend the money to upgrade that plant's stamping mechanisms, Costa Rica was forced to stamp bags made in that year with the old stamps that still used the single number 4, which can cause a lot of confusion.

Don't ever assume that sellers have accurate information.

Thank you @Hyacinth, I knew the bag was made (if authentic) in 2001 and thanks to you, @BeenBurned and @whateve , I will never again assume that the sellers have accurate information. You all, your time, expertise and willingness to help the buying public, is truly appreciated.

 

[whateve]

Hello; this is my first time getting an authentication so I hope I'm doing it right?? So here goes!

Item:

Bonnie Cashin for Coach Bag Kiss Lock Tote Rare Salmon Pink Leather Vintage 1960s Pre Creed​

Listing number: Don't see one?
Seller and site where listed; - Monalisa Creations, ETSY
Link - <https://www.etsy.com/listing/955947637/bonnie-cashin-for-coach-bag-kiss-lock?click_key=877122dd83f0d78f30c75d0c887c246c75a788ab:955947637&click_sum=a76cb5a5&ref=related-2&frs=1>

Comments: Seller states " missing metal Coach tag". Has several beautiful 1960s "Bonnie Cashin for Coach" bags presently listed and sold, that look like brand new? Do you think she may be refurbishing them? She points out a few minor flaws, but they are mostly from use, like little pen marks and such, not from aging? Please be sure to check the other listings as well. They are quite the eye candy. I just hope they're not too good to be true? She seems to specialize in this particular line "Bonnie Cashin for Coach".

I'd love to purchase this, but my concern is I am aware of some recent counterfeiters that have been reproducing vintage Gucci bags for the last several years, that are identical to the 1980s Gucci bags, and the only thing that gives them away at times, is their condition, looking brand new with no signs of aging at all. The labels, serial numbers and even the materials are identical to the Genuine old style Gucci markings right down to the minor details on the shield symbol and it's pretty scary how good they are! So I'm wondering if they may be doing the same with vintage Coach now as well?? These would be so super easy to copy without any creeds, right?
I'd appreciate your thoughts on this bag. Thank you

The seller has been selling Coach for a long time and I believe she knows her products well. I think she does some rehabbing to her items. There are no pictures of the interior, just inside the pocket. I personally wouldn't buy it without seeing pictures of the interior. It is possible the metal tag is missing, but without the tag, it would be hard to prove it was made by Coach, even though it absolutely looks like a bag Coach would have made in the late 60s. You would have to decide as a collector how important this is to you.

 

[whateve]

Hello! Thank you for your time and expertise!
Item: 168695008
Link: https://shopgoodwill.com/item/168695008
Comments: I bought this black 4907. It came with COA but the strap attachment is diff from my brown one AND diff from the catalog pic! I didn't notice it! Is this authentic?

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It's authentic. Yes, Coach changed the way the strap attaches in this style without changing the style number.

 

[BeyondBelief]

It appears to be genuine, but the seller is using some incorrect information in her listing regarding Coach's dating codes.

"Coach collector's especially covet bags made in the United States through the 90s. The quality of the leather and construction changed starting around the year 2000. Coach outsourced a lot of their manufacturing to China to save expenses, and the quality changed.
"How do you know the age of your bag? Prior to the 90s, each bag had a random set of numbers assigned by the maker - they don't mean anything. In the 1990s, at the base of the creed (written box of information inside of every bag, often on the pocket) you will find some letters and numbers. The first letter indicates the month the bag was made - A = January, B = February etc. The next number(s) indicate the last 1 - 2 digits of the year made - 2 = 1992, 02 = 2002,12 =2012 etc. The last letter indicates the place the bag was made - US, Costa Rica, Mexico etc. Prior to the 2000s you could expect good quality leather at most places of manufacture."

Sorry, that's not quite correct.

Coach didn't start using year codes in the serial numbers until 1994. So:
1992 and 1993 - no year codes at all.
1994 - new single-number year code format began starting with code 4 for 1994.
2002- year code was 2, NOT 02. Year code 1 stood for 2001 and 3 stood for 2003. So code 04 was 2004 when the zero had to be added, EXCEPT for a number of bags actually made in 2004 at the Costa Rica plant but since Coach didn't feel the need to spend the money to upgrade that plant's stamping mechanisms, Costa Rica was forced to stamp bags made in that year with the old stamps that still used the single number 4, which can cause a lot of confusion.

Don't ever assume that sellers have accurate information.

Oh wow! I didn't even read any of that in the listing, but thanks for the information. Very informative. I already knew their 1960s bags didn't have the creeds and numbers, so didn't read any of their explanation why. Only that the Coach Metal plate they used at the time, is missing on this bag.

My concern is, if you check this seller's other listings as well, they seem to specialize in these 1960s 'Bonnie Cashin for Coach' bags and has several of them presently listed, as well as, already sold, that all look practically brand new from the 1960s?? Some even come with the original Coach paperwork! I'm thinking they've either been refurbished, or could they be brand new copies??
The reason I ask that is because there' a fairly recent counterfeiter I've heard about that is now reproducing Gucci's vintage 1980s bags, but in reality, they're not vintage at all! They are brand new vintage copies! The markings on them are identical to vintage Gucci markings, but had very minor mistakes in other areas that proved them to be fakes, but everything else was perfect on them, even the materials! It's scary how good they are! .
I am wondering if perhaps that same counterfeiter is doing the same thing with these Cashin for Coach bags? Wouldn't these be much easier to reproduce without the creeds?? It's just making me nervous how such old bags from the 1960 all still look so brand spanking new!? I was hoping you could spot any discrepancies? Or see any mistakes? I really don't want to spend that much on a fake! Thanks again.

The seller has been selling Coach for a long time and I believe she knows her products well. I think she does some rehabbing to her items. There are no pictures of the interior, just inside the pocket. I personally wouldn't buy it without seeing pictures of the interior. It is possible the metal tag is missing, but without the tag, it would be hard to prove it was made by Coach, even though it absolutely looks like a bag Coach would have made in the late 60s. You would have to decide as a collector how important this is to you.

What a shame, it's such a gorgeous bag, but yes, that's a lot to spend without even the Coach Metal plate on it. For that price it really should be all original with it's original markings. Thanks for reminding me, because those things really are important.
I'm shocked Coach had a 'Salmon Pink' color leather like this back in the 1960s?? I don't even see it on any of the early 70s Color charts taken from the forums own catalogs. I wonder why they would drop such a great color?? I'm thinking it was dyed that color and isn't original at all! Thanks again!

 

[Tilis]

The seller has been selling Coach for a long time and I believe she knows her products well. I think she does some rehabbing to her items. There are no pictures of the interior, just inside the pocket. I personally wouldn't buy it without seeing pictures of the interior. It is possible the metal tag is missing, but without the tag, it would be hard to prove it was made by Coach, even though it absolutely looks like a bag Coach would have made in the late 60s. You would have to decide as a collector how important this is to you.

But from her Announcement:
Shop with confidence, as we're an Entrupy verified business (the first AI based authentication service)!
Same service that's used by shopgoodwill

 

[whateve]

Oh wow! I didn't even read any of that in the listing, but thanks for the information. Very informative. I already knew their 1960s bags didn't have the creeds and numbers, so didn't read any of their explanation why. Only that the Coach Metal plate they used at the time, is missing on this bag.

My concern is, if you check this seller's other listings as well, they seem to specialize in these 1960s 'Bonnie Cashin for Coach' bags and has several of them presently listed, as well as, already sold, that all look practically brand new from the 1960s?? Some even come with the original Coach paperwork! I'm thinking they've either been refurbished, or could they be brand new copies??
The reason I ask that is because there' a fairly recent counterfeiter I've heard about that is now reproducing Gucci's vintage 1980s bags, but in reality, they're not vintage at all! They are brand new vintage copies! The markings on them are identical to vintage Gucci markings, but had very minor mistakes in other areas that proved them to be fakes, but everything else was perfect on them, even the materials! It's scary how good they are! .
I am wondering if perhaps that same counterfeiter is doing the same thing with these Cashin for Coach bags? Wouldn't these be much easier to reproduce without the creeds?? It's just making me nervous how such old bags from the 1960 all still look so brand spanking new!? I was hoping you could spot any discrepancies? Or see any mistakes? I really don't want to spend that much on a fake! Thanks again.

What a shame, it's such a gorgeous bag, but yes, that's a lot to spend without even the Coach Metal plate on it. For that price it really should be all original with it's original markings. Thanks for reminding me, because those things really are important.
I'm shocked Coach had a 'Salmon Pink' color leather like this back in the 1960s?? I don't even see it on any of the early 70s Color charts taken from the forums own catalogs. I wonder why they would drop such a great color?? I'm thinking it was dyed that color and isn't original at all! Thanks again!


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That color chart is from 1981-1982. Bonnie Cashin used some great colors. Once she left, the colors got more traditional. I have color charts from 1964 and 1965. I had a mini safari in pink.

 

[Greenie55]

It's authentic. Yes, Coach changed the way the strap attaches in this style without changing the style number.

Thank you so much!

 

[bakingpatrick]

Hi Authenticators- I was wondering if you would help me determine the authenticity of some bags I've picked up at flea markets/yard sales, please? Thanks in advance!
First up is this black crossbody.