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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
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    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
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    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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ConchRepublicBagRehab said:
This bag was purchased from Poshmark from seller angela_listings. The space where the registration number should be is empty was my main concern. The dimensions of the bag are 7H x 11W x 1.5D. Thanks for your wisdom.
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Hyacinth said:
Genuine. If possible, please supply the actual url or link to the listing. Maybe one of the other authenticators has an easy way of finding Completed listings on Poshmark using just the sellert's name, but I don't. Anyone who does, please PM me. Thanks.

The "missing" serial number was glued on in early bags and sometimes fell off over time. It's genuine.
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Although it's considerably more helpful to have links to the listings, to search for a seller on Poshmark, go to the search box and choose the search by "people."

Click on her listings and you can filter your search as needed. One of the filters is by "sold"

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whateve said:
I don't have this one in my files. I don't see any problems with it.
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Hyacinth said:
I can't read the style number at all, but the serial prefix and strange "No." matches other genuine business items from the F plant. Still looking for a name or number...
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Merry Christmas ladies!
I have the clutch in my hands. I took a photo of the Creed patch. The style number is 9838. Not sure if you will still find it by it's style number but let me know if you need additional photos and measurements.
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momofgirls said:
Hi, something seems off with this Parker but I may be wrong. Can someone help authentic? Poshmark Seller
https://poshmark.com/listing/Coach-...akeskin-Shoulder-Bag-5e00f690ef72e62a609d5b59
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Hyacinth said:
There's only one photo that includes the creed patch and it's too small. Please try to get a larger readable photo from the seller. Also, please tell us what you think is wrong with it.
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houseof999 said:
I'm with you! Something looks off! I was just about to post my own request but decided to catch up first. I am skeptical of all her bags she has listed. I don't know why but the listing price alone set off the alarm for me. Specially when some bags are 50% off now on sale and she is selling them for even lower prices? And I don't think the styles have made it to the outlet yet. Even if they did, no resellers will be listing them at their purchase prices!
Seller: thienngan22
https://posh.mk/jpRt0htFF2
She just posted this bag 4 hours ago and I think it's questionable. The black leather shouldn't have contrast stitching. The signature print has more contrast comparing to the stock photo. Also provided by the seller herself.
Here's her possible fake:
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And the stock photo:
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BeenBurned said:
I've missed posts over the last several days and haven't finished catching up yet so I apologize if this was answered already.

Be sure to include seller ID:
thienngan22

Don't buy that bag. Not only do I usually refrain from authenticating and recommending listings on Poshmark, I need to comment on this listing from thienngan22.

Do not buy from
Hypexvintage
@thienngan22

In the listing in question, there are at least 3 different bags (same style) shown in the pictures and I'm not sure any of the pictures actually belong to the seller. There's no telling what you'll get, whether the seller has authentic items or even if she has the bag in her possession!
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I'm further convinced that Hypexvintage - @thienngan22 on Poshmark is to be avoided. At best, she's not showing actual pictures and at worst, she ripping buyers off with fakes.

As I commented earlier, her listing shows at least 3 different bags!
From the listing in question, compare these 3 pictures shown in the listing:
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Image #3 above was stolen from this listing: https://id.carousell.com/p/my-240055467/

Image 2 came from one of several different facebook sellers (again, all of whom seem to "share" pictures):
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houseof999 said:
Item: clutch (Men's?)
Link: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/184085684987
Seller: derrick8716
Comment: ID too please?
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whateve said:
I don't have this one in my files. I don't see any problems with it.
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Hyacinth said:
I can't read the style number at all, but the serial prefix and strange "No." matches other genuine business items from the F plant. Still looking for a name or number...
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houseof999 said:
Merry Christmas ladies!
I have the clutch in my hands. I took a photo of the Creed patch. The style number is 9838. Not sure if you will still find it by it's style number but let me know if you need additional photos and measurements.
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I have an opinion but will just post my findings and see what others think.

I haven't been able to find any 9838 nor have I found any F plant creeds with the sans serif font. Additionally, all the F plant bags I've found (that haven't been proven fake) were 5XXX styles.

Here are some comps, one of which would have been made in the same month, year and plant as the bag in question. The oddball "No." does match but that's all!

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ETA: I found this listing which appears to be a style very similar to the one in question but with what appears to have the correct font (and style number?)

Although the seller's title shows H5F as the prefix, it's actually D5F:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-CO...079146?hash=item36538e75aa:g:VkgAAOSwNU5dbTC-

and another H5F:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-COACH-H5F-5353-Black-Full-Grain-Leather-Briefcase-Attache-Working-Lock-/174037874487?hash=item2885773737:g:m6QAAOSwU1tdeuI2&nma=true&si=2r2jiWEYNBoTTE3HdSGLmrlYjFo%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

F plant D5F-5353 authentic.jpg F plant H5F-5353 authentic.jpg
 
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BeenBurned said:
I have an opinion but will just post my findings and see what others think.

I haven't been able to find any 9838 nor have I found any F plant creeds with the sans serif font. Additionally, all the F plant bags I've found (that haven't been proven fake) were 5XXX styles.

Here are some comps, one of which would have been made in the same month, year and plant as the bag in question. The oddball "No." does match but that's all!

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ETA: I found this listing which appears to be a style very similar to the one in question but with what appears to have the correct font (and style number?)

Although the seller's title shows H5F as the prefix, it's actually D5F:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-CO...079146?hash=item36538e75aa:g:VkgAAOSwNU5dbTC-

and another H5F:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-COACH-H5F-5353-Black-Full-Grain-Leather-Briefcase-Attache-Working-Lock-/174037874487?hash=item2885773737:g:m6QAAOSwU1tdeuI2&nma=true&si=2r2jiWEYNBoTTE3HdSGLmrlYjFo%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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I think it's OK. In fact I think it's from the same line or family as the Diplomat Brief style 5353 from that unusually shaped padded area above the locks although the 5352 Courier Brief and the 5267 Morgan Briefcase had the same detail with the Morgan also having the same Touchlock closure. All 3 of those styles are from 1992-93. The womens' Camden Classics handbag line from 1992 had the same detail above the Touchlock. I also can't imagine any counterfeiter from that period making something as unusual and complicated as that hidden loop handle.

Here's the Morgan Brief, introduced in the 1992 Holiday Preview catalog, this pic is from Holiday 1993.

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They're related, no doubt in my mind. The clutch is definitely genuine. As for the style number, there are at least 5 other clutch styles from the 1990s starting with 98xx style numbers in my files including 2 different Turnlock Clutches, an International Clutch, another unknown business-type clutch, and an Envelope Clutch. A clutch wouldn't have had a Briefcase style number which the 53xxs usually were until about 10 years later. Here's a tag from one of the Clutches:
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Our Mystery Clutch was probably called something like 9838 Touchlock Clutch if Coach stuck to their normal naming method for the period when it was made

ETA - Actually, the creeds DO match in a way that a fake wouldn't. Take a look at the unusual "R"s on all the creeds. Other details match too. And I'm pretty sure that's a poorly stamped outlet bullseye on top of the first C in the Coach creed logo. It was made several years after the handbags and briefcases that used the same Touchlock which makes me think it might have been made for the outlets like the Turnlock Clutch that had the price tag in this post. It could have been one of the last styles made with a Touchlock.
 
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Hyacinth said:
I think it's OK. In fact I think it's from the same line or family as the Diplomat Brief style 5353 from that unusually shaped padded area above the locks although the 5352 Courier Brief and the 5267 Morgan Briefcase had the same detail with the Morgan also having the same Touchlock closure. All 3 of those styles are from 1992-93. The womens' Camden Classics handbag line from 1992 had the same detail above the Touchlock. I also can't imagine any counterfeiter from that period making something as unusual and complicated as that hidden loop handle.

Here's the Morgan Brief, introduced in the 1992 Holiday Preview catalog, this pic is from Holiday 1993.

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They're related, no doubt in my mind. The clutch is definitely genuine. As for the style number, there are at least 5 other clutch styles from the 1990s starting with 98xx style numbers in my files including 2 different Turnlock Clutches, an International Clutch, another unknown business-type clutch, and an Envelope Clutch. A clutch wouldn't have had a Briefcase style number which the 53xxs usually were until about 10 years later. Here's a tag from one of the Clutches:
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Our Mystery Clutch was probably called something like 9838 Touchlock Clutch if Coach stuck to their normal naming method for the period when it was made

ETA - Actually, the creeds DO match in a way that a fake wouldn't. Take a look at the unusual "R"s on all the creeds. Other details match too. And I'm pretty sure that's a poorly stamped outlet bullseye on top of the first C in the Coach creed logo. It was made several years after the handbags and briefcases that used the same Touchlock which makes me think it might have been made for the outlets like the Turnlock Clutch that had the price tag in this post. It could have been one of the last styles made with a Touchlock.
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Thank you for the detailed explanation! I wish I'd sat on my hands rather than inject questions into the issue.

But it further proves Coach's inconsistency!
 
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BeenBurned said:
Thank you for the detailed explanation! I wish I'd sat on my hands rather than inject questions into the issue.

But it further proves Coach's inconsistency!
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Yep. But Coach wouldn't care since it was probably going straight to the outlets anyway. I checked every digital and paper catalog I own from 1992 to 1996 and it doesn't appear in any of them, so the outlet was probably where it was made for. Like I've said before, I doubt if in their coke-infused dreams, upper management ever imagined that a small bunch of lunatics was some day going to go over some of their production inconsistencies with a microscope. :biggrin:

But I'm glad it's genuine, even if we can't put an official name on it. It's just in my files as "9838_unk Touchlock case c1995"
 
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