Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
  Comments:
  
  
• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
  Comments:

BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[whateve]

Item: coach purse
Listing number:202409350264
Seller: jkan1388
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/coach-purse/202409350264?hash=item2f20899478:g:smcAAOSwM85besgV:rk:5:pf:0
Comments: I know the full creed isn't shown, so this can't be verified as authentic. But what interests me is that the creed doesn't have the same wording as other creeds I have looked at for the same bag and the front plate for the turnlock looks slightly different than the other bags. Just curious if this style was faked.

They got the place of manufacture right. I don't remember ever seeing a proven fake of the Gramercys. I have one that is missing a creed number but everything else is perfect so I'm sure it is authentic. I've seen another unconfirmed style with no number on the creed that might be questionable. I don't recall seeing one with the wrong wording, but I've seen other styles with wrong wording that seem authentic. This could happen as the factory has the wrong creed loaded because they were making other styles previously. Or the creed stamp might have been damaged and it wasn't worth making another for a short run. Or it was one of the earliest made before they had the correct creed stamp.

I'm not seeing a significant difference in the front plate.

 

[sharesorsha]

They got the place of manufacture right. I don't remember ever seeing a proven fake of the Gramercys. I have one that is missing a creed number but everything else is perfect so I'm sure it is authentic. I've seen another unconfirmed style with no number on the creed that might be questionable. I don't recall seeing one with the wrong wording, but I've seen other styles with wrong wording that seem authentic. This could happen as the factory has the wrong creed loaded because they were making other styles previously. Or the creed stamp might have been damaged and it wasn't worth making another for a short run. Or it was one of the earliest made before they had the correct creed stamp.

I'm not seeing a significant difference in the front plate.

Thank you Whateve.

 

[minivan09ia]

It's a Blazer bag #9830, made in the late 80s.

Thanks so much for the info!!

 

[Fierymudkip]

Here's another one for you guys. Thanks so much!

Name: unknown
No link

 

[Hyacinth]

They got the place of manufacture right. I don't remember ever seeing a proven fake of the Gramercys. I have one that is missing a creed number but everything else is perfect so I'm sure it is authentic. I've seen another unconfirmed style with no number on the creed that might be questionable. I don't recall seeing one with the wrong wording, but I've seen other styles with wrong wording that seem authentic. This could happen as the factory has the wrong creed loaded because they were making other styles previously. Or the creed stamp might have been damaged and it wasn't worth making another for a short run. Or it was one of the earliest made before they had the correct creed stamp.

I'm not seeing a significant difference in the front plate.

I agree. Subject to seeing a full photo of the creed and serial number, it looks like a genuine 7007 Gramercy Envelope Clutch. The front plate looks the same as 2 pics in my files of both Coach's photo and a confirmed genuine bag from either the internet or a tPF member.

 

[whateve]

Here's another one for you guys. Thanks so much!

Name: unknown
No link
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It's an authentic Janice's Legacy.

 

[Fierymudkip]

Thank you! It was in such great condition, I was worried

 

[sharesorsha]

I agree. Subject to seeing a full photo of the creed and serial number, it looks like a genuine 7007 Gramercy Envelope Clutch. The front plate looks the same as 2 pics in my files of both Coach's photo and a confirmed genuine bag from either the internet or a tPF member.

Thank you Hyacinth. I've admired the Gramercy line for a long time and never owned one. They look like they are well made.

 

[Lake Effect]

Sorry. I wasn't able to get dimensions or a link. It was at a thrift store. I'm pretty sure it was fake!

Even if I don’t have the dimensions and there is no link, I let the authenticators know in my initial request, and it saves them from posting for the info. These ladies work hard to save us from buying fakes so I try and comply as best I can! If it wasn’t for this thread, I would not have a nice little pile of authentic vintage Coach

 

[Lake Effect]

Both are genuine. The brown one was made in 1995 and the black one in 2001.

I'll never understand why some sellers can't be bothered to post a decent set of photos.

Agreed, yet I have taken a chance on a few listings with crap photos and have gotten quite a few deals, and yeah , one turkey!

 

[Lake Effect]

Hi there - I'm new here! Just looking for some helpful information, hopefully. I had a listing removed from eBay today that was for a Coach Willis bag, a bag I have sold a few of over the years, and I've never had a fake bag. I've sold a lot of Coaches, owned a lot, etc. Sooo, the number on this bag is EC4-9927, and obviously the 9927 is right, but I saw in the beginning of this giant thread/forum that in one place, someone unequivocally says that the number is legit, and then somewhere else, someone says it's fake, and it has something to do with the factory and the numbers they use? More than anything, I just want to be sure I wasn't fooled by a really good fake. I can post the photo of the creed if need be, but it looks ok to me, made in US, everything where it should be, spacing ok.

Thanks for any input, sorry if this is the wrong place for such a question!

Someone posted a similar question on ebay with the following pictures.

If that's the bag that was removed, the bag is fake and the removal was appropriate:
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ETA: Here's a picture of another (different style) made in the same month/year/plant. Notice the differences in the font and creed text:
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I believe this is an example of why there is so much fake Coach out there, vintage, more recent and current. People who have more than a fleeting knowledge of Coach understand the style/coding under the Creed statement. What they fail to understand , and I’ll speak to Vintage Coach, is that the counterfeiters got it good too. They got the bag details down and even some of the plant/style coding correct too. But not good enough, as can be seen, sometimes only on side by side Creed shots. I understand the frustration of some who says, I know Coach, I’ve owned Coach etc etc.
But the reality , to many of you dear sellers, is that you don’t know enough about how well Coach was faked in the ‘90s. I know about it from that time, directly from several people who were buying Coach, clearly from a non-legit seller! I spent some time window shopping at local Coach store then, and at a glance remembering the fakes looked convincing!
ETA, again, why a request here needs everything asked for in the first post.

 

[Hyacinth]

Hi there - I'm new here! Just looking for some helpful information, hopefully. I had a listing removed from eBay today that was for a Coach Willis bag, a bag I have sold a few of over the years, and I've never had a fake bag. I've sold a lot of Coaches, owned a lot, etc. Sooo, the number on this bag is EC4-9927, and obviously the 9927 is right, but I saw in the beginning of this giant thread/forum that in one place, someone unequivocally says that the number is legit, and then somewhere else, someone says it's fake, and it has something to do with the factory and the numbers they use? More than anything, I just want to be sure I wasn't fooled by a really good fake. I can post the photo of the creed if need be, but it looks ok to me, made in US, everything where it should be, spacing ok.

Thanks for any input, sorry if this is the wrong place for such a question!

I believe this is an example of why there is so much fake Coach out there, vintage, more recent and current. People who have more than a fleeting knowledge of Coach understand the style/coding under the Creed statement. What they fail to understand , and I’ll speak to Vintage Coach, is that the counterfeiters got it good too. They got the bag details down and even some of the plant/style coding correct too. But not good enough, as can be seen, sometimes only on side by side Creed shots. I understand the frustration of some who says, I know Coach, I’ve owned Coach etc etc.
But the reality , to many of you dear sellers, is that you don’t know enough about how well Coach was faked in the ‘90s. I know about it from that time, directly from several people who were buying Coach, clearly from a non-legit seller! I spent some time window shopping at local Coach store then, and at a glance remembering the fakes looked convincing!
ETA, again, why a request here needs everything asked for in the first post.

Lake Effect, the new poster who asked on Tuesday about the fake that Ebay removed seems to have disappeared. I found her post at the Ebay Fashion board dated October 17 and she vanished from there too, with no reply and not even the courtesy of a Thank You at either board from the polite and thorough replies she's received. So you're probably wasting your time trying to explain things to her. I doubt if she'd give your answer the courtesy of a reply or a Thank You either. Don't waste any more of your time trying to help her.

 

[Lake Effect]

Lake Effect, the new poster who asked on Tuesday about the fake that Ebay removed seems to have disappeared. I found her post at the Ebay Fashion board dated October 17 and she vanished from there too, with no reply and not even the courtesy of a Thank You at either board from the polite and thorough replies she's received. So you're probably wasting your time trying to explain things to her. I doubt if she'd give your answer the courtesy of a reply or a Thank You either. Don't waste any more of your time trying to help her.

Agreed! One thing I know is that there is a lot of lurking, by people with her mindset but also by newbies (like I once was) who would love to learn more about genuine Coach. I lurked for at least 4 months before I joined. I agree it most likely lost on the people who most need to hear this message. But hopefully this message will help newbies here that genuinely want to enjoy pre-owned Coach understand what they are up against with sellers who are ignorant of the facts.

 

[Fierymudkip]

Yes! Please keep posting such helpful information. I've learned so much from just lurking the past couple of days.

 

[Hyacinth]

Agreed! One thing I know is that there is a lot of lurking, by people with her mindset but also by newbies (like I once was) who would love to learn more about genuine Coach. I lurked for at least 4 months before I joined. I agree it most likely lost on the people who most need to hear this message. But hopefully this message will help newbies here that genuinely want to enjoy pre-owned Coach understand what they are up against with sellers who are ignorant of the facts.

Very true, and even old dogs can always learn new tricks. I remember when I first started studying classic Coach, one of the long-time regular sellers and posters at the old Ebay Shoes and Accessories board back around 2005 insisted that the most important thing that proved a Coach was genuine was the evenness of the stitching and quality of the leather, and that creed and serial number stampings were completely useless and meaningless. There are still plenty of sellers who think so, apparently.

And I won't even get into all that YKK zipper BS!