The Case to Leave Alone

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Intro and disclaimer:
This is in response to the many young and/or first-time buyers of expensive bags (or other leather goods). Many DM me to ask advice, so I'm writing my advise here so I can direct in the future.

This thread is not meant for those brilliant tPFers who are seasoned experts who know exactly what to use, what to do and know how to treat leather, often restoring (sometimes bringing bags back from the dead) nor is it advise for members who have their own bag habits and are happy with them.

My advise is:

Just leave it.

Don't spray new leather*+.

Unless you want to soften the leather don't condition for a while either.

One of the issues is that commercial products make leather look 'good' quickly. Unfortunately, in the long run, those products can ruin our bags.

You love it, you've paid a fortune for it, so you automatically want to take care of it. Most designer leather is stamped, tumbled, rolled or given some other treatment that seals the outside. Raw leather like LV's Vachetta or equivalent is a different matter, but most commercial brands, be it a heritage leather-goods specialist like Gucci or fashion brand that sells accessories like Chanel, sell bags that will weather and age well without plastering instantly them with chemical/plasticised products.

Even natural finish leather needs to build-up resistance on its own without any chemicals added. The sprays that 'protect' usually contain a type of hairspray (which is a type of glue).

If it ever looks a bit dull brush it with a soft brush, it'll bring the shine back.

Don't use waterproofing products on leather, you a) ruin the chances of the leather developing waterproofing properties of its own b) sealing the leather will eventually dry out the leather, won't let the skin breath so risk mould forming inside the bag, and you won't be able to (re)condition (naturally: mink oil, lanolin, neatsfoot etc). Better to carry a large umbrella or waterproof bag if you think it will rain and need peace of mind.

With time your leather bag will usually protect itself from moisture and minor scuffs from all the everyday use that you will do as you carry, open and close and hold. Gently wiping with a soft cloth or gently dry-brushing if needed (dried mud, dust etc) will help your bag protect itself. Most commercial bags are already treated through the tanning and finishing process and don't need any further treatment - sometimes for years.

Leather is skin, a natural material and porous, water will be absorbed, as will oils. Plastic is a man-made and non-water permeable. The more you plasticise (silicones included) your new leather bag with most commercial sprays, creams and lotions, the more waterproof it will become, but the more it won't be able to 'breathe' too. Once leather cannot 'breathe' it will start to develop all kinds of problems. This is why Hermes tells customers that if an H bag is worked on 'after market' by a non-H person they will no longer touch it and why it offers aftercare spa services.

You do not need to condition a new bag. Natural oils will add moisture to a bag but they will often soften, darken, discolour and breakdown finishes if the bag has not had a chance to develop its own protection. People also tend to use too much. Some leathers have very delicate finishes, by over-conditioning you can remove or damage the finish.

If the leather gets very wet from heavy rain, make sure there are no droplets, but leave to dry naturally stuffed to shape inside with rolled/folded newspaper. Don't put away wet, leave it out.

One of the reasons I'm loathed to buy preloved is that people have ruined bags with commercial products. Even a professional seller bragged to me he uses furniture polish on pre-loved and vintage crocodile bags for sale. That's OK for vintage 'cheaper' ones that were plasticised with glazing (like patent), but will be disastrous down the line for those that were hand-polished for added shine and protection.

Doing nothing is 10 x better than doing something when wrong.

*Suede
can be treated completely differently, when cleaned, it's resurfaced, so a light spray of waterproofing won't harm it because when professional cleaning happens, whoever does it, should re-waterproof it anyway.
+ Patent leather is plasticised as a finish. More water-repellent, this type of finish on a bag shouldn't be put away but used and left out as much as possible.
 
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Oh I just read this after I bought some Saphir Renovateur on advise of many in the Chanel forum. I have not used it yet as I was waiting for someone to respond if I did buy the correct one and how to use it. I have both caviar and lamb Chanel bags and was was wanting to protect them. I also have one python bag which I won't touch as I imagine python is more delicate to chemicals. But aside from my python bag all my other Chanel products are black so color transfer etc aren't something I need to worry about protecting from (some were using treatment to protect the bag so future color transfer is more easily removed)
So should I just leave my bags alone? The Saphir product says mink oil based if that matters.
 
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I really appreciate this post! I was starting to question if I should be doing more for my leather bags than occasionally wiping them down with a soft cloth, sometimes dampened with water if needed. I've never had any issues with any of my bags, and while I'm not rough on them, I don't baby them either, and they are all in excellent condition.
 
Oh I just read this after I bought some Saphir Renovateur on advise of many in the Chanel forum. I have not used it yet as I was waiting for someone to respond if I did buy the correct one and how to use it. I have both caviar and lamb Chanel bags and was was wanting to protect them. I also have one python bag which I won't touch as I imagine python is more delicate to chemicals. But aside from my python bag all my other Chanel products are black so color transfer etc aren't something I need to worry about protecting from (some were using treatment to protect the bag so future color transfer is more easily removed)
So should I just leave my bags alone? The Saphir product says mink oil based if that matters.

As you know I would in favour of leaving until really needed.

I have Chanel bags (lamb or calf - no caviar). I literally just wipe the lamb over with a microfibre cloth before and after using.
 
Intro and disclaimer:
This is in response to the many young and/or first-time buyers of expensive bags (or other leather goods). Many DM me to ask advice, so I'm writing my advise here so I can direct in the future.

This thread is not meant for those brilliant tPFers who are seasoned experts who know exactly what to use, what to do and know how to treat leather, often restoring (sometimes bringing bags back from the dead) nor is it advise for members who have their own bag habits and are happy with them.

My advise is:

Just leave it.

Don't spray new leather*+.

Unless you want to soften the leather don't condition for a while either.

One of the issues is that commercial products make leather look 'good' quickly. Unfortunately, in the long run, those products can ruin our bags.

You love it, you've paid a fortune for it, so you automatically want to take care of it. Most designer leather is stamped, tumbled, rolled or given some other treatment that seals the outside. Raw leather like LV's Vachetta or equivalent is a different matter, but most commercial brands, be it a heritage leather-goods specialist like Gucci or fashion brand that sells accessories like Chanel, sell bags that will weather and age well without plastering instantly them with chemical/plasticised products.

Even natural finish leather needs to build-up resistance on its own without any chemicals added. The sprays that 'protect' usually contain a type of hairspray (which is a type of glue).

If it ever looks a bit dull brush it with a soft brush, it'll bring the shine back.

Don't use waterproofing products on leather, you a) ruin the chances of the leather developing waterproofing properties of its own b) sealing the leather will eventually dry out the leather, won't let the skin breath so risk mould forming inside the bag, and you won't be able to (re)condition (naturally: mink oil, lanolin, neatsfoot etc). Better to carry a large umbrella or waterproof bag if you think it will rain and need peace of mind.

With time your leather bag will usually protect itself from moisture and minor scuffs from all the everyday use that you will do as you carry, open and close and hold. Gently wiping with a soft cloth or gently dry-brushing if needed (dried mud, dust etc) will help your bag protect itself. Most commercial bags are already treated through the tanning and finishing process and don't need any further treatment - sometimes for years.

Leather is skin, a natural material and porous, water will be absorbed, as will oils. Plastic is a man-made and non-water permeable. The more you plasticise (silicones included) your new leather bag with most commercial sprays, creams and lotions, the more waterproof it will become, but the more it won't be able to 'breathe' too. Once leather cannot 'breathe' it will start to develop all kinds of problems. This is why Hermes tells customers that if an H bag is worked on 'after market' by a non-H person they will no longer touch it and why it offers aftercare spa services.

You do not need to condition a new bag. Natural oils will add moisture to a bag but they will often soften, darken, discolour and breakdown finishes if the bag has not had a chance to develop its own protection. People also tend to use too much. Some leathers have very delicate finishes, by over-conditioning you can remove or damage the finish.

If the leather gets very wet from heavy rain, make sure there are no droplets, but leave to dry naturally stuffed to shape inside with rolled/folded newspaper. Don't put away wet, leave it out.

One of the reasons I'm loathed to buy preloved is that people have ruined bags with commercial products. Even a professional seller bragged to me he uses furniture polish on pre-loved and vintage crocodile bags for sale. That's OK for vintage 'cheaper' ones that were plasticised with glazing (like patent), but will be disastrous down the line for those that were hand-polished for added shine and protection.

Doing nothing is 10 x better than doing something when wrong.

*Suede
can be treated completely differently, when cleaned, it's resurfaced, so a light spray of waterproofing won't harm it because when professional cleaning happens, whoever does it, should re-waterproof it anyway.
+ Patent leather is plasticised as a finish. More water-repellent, this type of finish on a bag shouldn't be put away but used and left out as much as possible.
I just got a preloved light grey lambskin bag. It's in pretty good shape. I tested a small area with Apple cleaner/conditioner. when you first put it on it darkens the leather but eventually dries and disappears. but it doesn't seem to really do much. I carried it for a few days and found there were a couple of small marks on it. the marks aren't really noticeable but I don't want it to continue to get dirtier. I tried the Apple on it. pretty much the same result as when I tested the bottom - scary darkenening, then dries but didn't do much to take the marks away.
I have some water repellant that says its for leather or suede. I'm wondering if I should try that to at least protect it from water spots.
Most of my lighter colored bags have been leather with some degree of finish or glaze, not as porous as this one.
Someone here recommended Lexol for lambskin I think. Don't know if that would be any better than Apple or Leather CPR.

Advice? thanks
 
I just got a preloved light grey lambskin bag. It's in pretty good shape. I tested a small area with Apple cleaner/conditioner. when you first put it on it darkens the leather but eventually dries and disappears. but it doesn't seem to really do much. I carried it for a few days and found there were a couple of small marks on it. the marks aren't really noticeable but I don't want it to continue to get dirtier. I tried the Apple on it. pretty much the same result as when I tested the bottom - scary darkenening, then dries but didn't do much to take the marks away.
I have some water repellant that says its for leather or suede. I'm wondering if I should try that to at least protect it from water spots.
Most of my lighter colored bags have been leather with some degree of finish or glaze, not as porous as this one.
Someone here recommended Lexol for lambskin I think. Don't know if that would be any better than Apple or Leather CPR.

Advice? thanks
I am not a fan of using water/stain repellent sprays. They make bags feel a little weird, and I think they actually end up attracting more dirt to the bag. I agree with op that leaving most bags alone is best (with the exception of new lv vachetta - I have a whole routine for that), and the only product I use for bags that need something is Cadillac conditioner (the boot and shoe one).

Also, I would stay away from Lexol. They reformulated their products in the last few years and reviews are not good.
 
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I just got a preloved light grey lambskin bag. It's in pretty good shape. I tested a small area with Apple cleaner/conditioner. when you first put it on it darkens the leather but eventually dries and disappears. but it doesn't seem to really do much. I carried it for a few days and found there were a couple of small marks on it. the marks aren't really noticeable but I don't want it to continue to get dirtier. I tried the Apple on it. pretty much the same result as when I tested the bottom - scary darkenening, then dries but didn't do much to take the marks away.
I have some water repellant that says its for leather or suede. I'm wondering if I should try that to at least protect it from water spots.
Most of my lighter colored bags have been leather with some degree of finish or glaze, not as porous as this one.
Someone here recommended Lexol for lambskin I think. Don't know if that would be any better than Apple or Leather CPR.

Advice? thanks

It sounds like it's just dry. I can't advise you which brand, but moisturising little and at only weekly intervals should help.
 
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It sounds like it's just dry. I can't advise you which brand, but moisturising little and at only weekly intervals should help.
thanks - when I've put anything on it, it leave a mark, which does eventually dry but the thought of moisturizing the whole thing and having it dry unevenly is kinda scary....maybe I'll try the whole bottom first
 
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thanks - when I've put anything on it, it leave a mark, which does eventually dry but the thought of moisturizing the whole thing and having it dry unevenly is kinda scary....maybe I'll try the whole bottom first
I tried Apple condition/cleaner on one side and Leather CPR on the other......No harm but didn't take marks off and no noticeable difference in leather....I guess maybe I just have to accept that this is a light color and is going to show wear
 
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I am not a fan of using water/stain repellent sprays. They make bags feel a little weird, and I think they actually end up attracting more dirt to the bag. I agree with op that leaving most bags alone is best (with the exception of new lv vachetta - I have a whole routine for that), and the only product I use for bags that need something is Cadillac conditioner (the boot and shoe one).

Also, I would stay away from Lexol. They reformulated their products in the last few years and reviews are not good.
I looked at reviews of Lexol from people who bought it...most seemed to use it for their car seats
 
I looked at reviews of Lexol from people who bought it...most seemed to use it for their car seats
Lexol is a car brand. Another reason to not use it for a nice leather bag. Car seat leather is entirely different from handbag leather. I did try the old original Lexol cleaner and had no problems with it, but I wouldn’t use the conditioner, especially since the reformulation. Cadillac is the only one I would use. Apple conditioner has too many bad reviews as well.
 
Lexol is a car brand. Another reason to not use it for a nice leather bag. Car seat leather is entirely different from handbag leather. I did try the old original Lexol cleaner and had no problems with it, but I wouldn’t use the conditioner, especially since the reformulation. Cadillac is the only one I would use. Apple conditioner has too many bad reviews as well.

It's the same with saddle soap. Not all leather that's used for designer bags can/should be soaped. People do not seem to understand that different types of leather and treatments determine the level of success of cleaning/conditioning.

If a company does not spa/repair their bags, they could at least let us know how to best take care of their products. They can't recommend other brands cleaners/conditioners, but they should at least be realistic and know what kind of products could be used or not.

Unless I know what works on my very expensive bags, I'd rather not touch. However, it's not such a problem with brands I (mostly) buy from Gucci, BV and Hermes who'll deal with my bags should there be any issues.
 
Lexol is a car brand. Another reason to not use it for a nice leather bag. Car seat leather is entirely different from handbag leather. I did try the old original Lexol cleaner and had no problems with it, but I wouldn’t use the conditioner, especially since the reformulation. Cadillac is the only one I would use. Apple conditioner has too many bad reviews as well.

It's the same with saddle soap. Not all leather that's used for designer bags can/should be soaped. People do not seem to understand that different types of leather and treatments determine the level of success of cleaning/conditioning.

If a company does not spa/repair their bags, they could at least let us know how to best take care of their products. They can't recommend other brands cleaners/conditioners, but they should at least be realistic and know what kind of products could be used or not.

Unless I know what works on my very expensive bags, I'd rather not touch. However, it's not such a problem with brands I (mostly) buy from Gucci, BV and Hermes who'll deal with my bags should there be any issues.
I had Apple conditioner/cleaner and Leather CPR on hand. I used both on my light grey bag. Eventually after buffing with a microfiber towel and hanging it near a sunny window, it does look better. Not sure whether I'll spray it. The repellant I have on hand is from a shoe store - not a brand recommended on the PF. You'd think these repellants would have the same main ingredients but they don't put it on the can.
 
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It's the same with saddle soap. Not all leather that's used for designer bags can/should be soaped. People do not seem to understand that different types of leather and treatments determine the level of success of cleaning/conditioning.

If a company does not spa/repair their bags, they could at least let us know how to best take care of their products. They can't recommend other brands cleaners/conditioners, but they should at least be realistic and know what kind of products could be used or not.

Unless I know what works on my very expensive bags, I'd rather not touch. However, it's not such a problem with brands I (mostly) buy from Gucci, BV and Hermes who'll deal with my bags should there be any issues.
I guess companies don’t want to risk their customers coming back with ruined bags, complaining that “you told me it was ok to clean it with ___!”

Some even have their own branded products that they recommend, but they can be hit or miss too. Like coach cleaner/conditioner. I once bought a store brand shoe conditioner along with boots (can’t remember the name, it was in Italy), and it ruined the boots.

I’m now wary about applying anything to my bags except Cadillac, but the funny thing is that I’ve actually been doing a lot of research into car detailing products because I’ve been pondering what to use on old lv coated canvas. The coating is some type of plastic (pvc or pu), so I wonder if this is where a car product might actually do some good? Most car leather conditioners are actually formulated for leather AND vinyl/rubber because car seat leather is coated with a type of plastic, and they can be used on most car interior plastics as well to prevent cracking and fading. I’ve read about people using armor all in bags, but armor all is actually scorned by car detailers nowadays and there are much better rated products available now.