Using Retinol Products w/Vitamin C Products??
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Not true. If anything you should definitely use a C Serum when using a product containing retinol as the retinol will make you more sensitive to the sun. C Serum increases the efficacy of sunscreen. It's benzoyl peroxide that you won't want to apply at the same time as a product with retinol as they basically negate each other and end up doing nothing.
Some additional reading...
http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Doi=83708
Some additional reading...
http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Doi=83708
Such an interesting article! Thank you. Is there a particular productor product comboyou recommend for the retinol and C? I used Osmotics for years, but many of my faves have been discontinued. I tried Pevonia Botanica Timeless for a whilew/the C concentrate. And now, I've just started using some Natura Bisse products; however, the NB retinol serum is very high in alcohol content, and my skin does not do well w/alcohol. Thanks again for your time and knowledge!
I've been using DermaDoctor's Poetry in Lotion (contains retinol) and I use MD Skincare's Hydra Pure Vitamin C Serum and I'm very pleased with the results. I've also used Philosophy's Help Me (retinol) & had no problems continuing use of the Vita-C or Antioxidant serums from MD Skincare. I have very sensitive skin so it's a huge relief to have these products work so well together for me (happy sigh)
Swan1
What did you think about the Pevonia Botanica, I've eyed that brand a few times...
Swan1
What did you think about the Pevonia Botanica, I've eyed that brand a few times...
Thanks for sending along details about these products. I'll check them out. Know what you mean about the relief of finding products that work for sensitive skin!
I've tried these products from Pevonia: Timeless Cream, Timeless Lotion/Toner, Enzo-Spherides Peeling Cream, and C Complex. I have sensitive dry skin and found no irritation w/any of the products, though the Timeless products have a slightly unpleasant odor. I really like the ingredients, and I like the fact that there are no parabens––and these products do not contain alcohol. (You can read ingredients of each item on skinstore.com.) Including comments below regarding individual products.
• Did not like the Timeless Lotion (toner). It was nothing special, and I prefer a less lotion-like toner. I use a La Prairie toner (Cellular Refining Lotion).
• Loved the Pevonia Enzo-Spherides Peeling Cream. I had read positive reviews about this product on makeupalley.com. It is outstanding!
• Except for the odd fragrance, I really did like the Timeless Cream. I thought I could see a difference in the texture of my skin, but the fam didn't seem to notice.
• I like the Vitamin C Complex (Ligne Soin O2 Optimal). This is the ingredient list: Water (Aqua), Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate (Vit. C), Lecithin, Tocopherol (Oxyzomes), Hyaluronic Acid, Glycerin, Carbomer, Corylus Avellana (Hazel Nut) Oil, Chitosan Glycol, Ethylhexylglycerin, Hexylene Glycol, Sodium Citrate.
Just to share what I heard when I was researching Pevonia Botanica: When I spoke to estheticians, I heard several times that the Pevonia line is not sufficiently "active." Have also heard that the Pevonia Timeless products, the most expensive flagship products, only approach the entry level/least expensive items in many other lines. I'm not truly certain what the "active" ingredients would be, but the Timeless products contain peptides, marine items, retinol, and other products I consider to be outstanding. I am considering bringing the Timeless Cream back into my regimen. I like the Natura Bisse products I'm using. Really see a difference. But the NB products are not sufficiently hydrating. Hope some of this information will be helpful. Would be interested to know if you try Pevonia, and if so, what your impressions are.
I agree.
You do not use retinols or Vit C products together with AHAs and BHAs.... maybe this is what you were thinking?
I really like La Roche Posay Active C and I use Retina A as well. However I use less Retina A in the summer months since the sun is very strong in Greece.
^I can't answer your q, but I've never believed in the use of copper in skincare products....
Honestly, it's not going to help you form collagen or elastin, there's no way copper is going to penetrate the skin to do so, it'll just cause irritation imo, unless it's in the nano size.... Then you might as well buy La Prairie's nano-platinum cream or Chantecaille's nano-gold cream.
Honestly, it's not going to help you form collagen or elastin, there's no way copper is going to penetrate the skin to do so, it'll just cause irritation imo, unless it's in the nano size.... Then you might as well buy La Prairie's nano-platinum cream or Chantecaille's nano-gold cream.
Swan, I use SkinMedica's C Serum in conjunction with a retinol product (which I have by prescription, so that might not be much help for you). I have been using retinol for a couple years now and I love it - it's my #1 beauty must have (aside from a clarisonic and sunscreen).
Here is some reading that might be useful for you
C Serum
http://makeupalley.com/user/notepad/StAmourOwl
Retinoids
http://makeupalley.com/account/sn.asp?username=tetrakis
http://www.makeupalley.com/user/notepad/retinoids
Hopefully those articles are helpful for you. I would also advise a BHA or AHA (Benzoyl Peroxide is neither of these as it is a disinfectant) in the morning (or at night too, if your skin can tolerate it) to help slough off dead skin/cells and clean out your pores.
http://www.cosmeticscop.com/skin-care-facts-understanding-bha-aha-exfoliants.aspx
Info on BHA/AHA, retinoids, BP, etc. - http://www.skinmedics.ca/Basic.htm
BP kills bacteria but does not clean out your pores in the same manner that a BHA or AHA would. It also causes some oxidation which has been proven to age your skin (though that doesn't stop me from dabbing a little on in a pinch)
http://www.bion-research.com/acne_&_premature_aging.htm
http://www.smartskincare.com/conditions/acne/acne-and-skin-aging.html
Sorry for the long post/response!
Haven't had these problems, though I do generally feel dry when using retinol products. (Not certain if this is actually a sense of tightness that I'm interpreting as dry.) You might want to check the other ingredients in the product(s) you're using. You might be allergic to something else in the product. Or of course, you could be allergic to the retinol.
^^I was using Retin A mixed with Obagi Blender...However I do have very sensitive skin, and obagi is also known for peeling ETC. I also feel like I broke out more! I've used both of them before and it's cleared up my face. This time though I just feel like it's itching alot more, and started peeling alot faster.
No problem, swan. I went through some issues with my skin and battled with it... research and trial/error finally got my skin to behave. Good luck!
Roxy - Your skin will be dry (itchy) and you may experience some purging (breaking out). You may want to slowly introduce your skin to Retinol by having 1 night one, 1 night off (or 1 night on, 2 nights off if your skin is more sensitive). If that doesn't help, you may need to do a short-contact therapy (put it on, let it soak up then rinse off) or buffer your skin with a moisturizer, etc. I also *think* I went through an initial purging when I started using it but that was a couple years ago, so I don't exactly remember. The important thing to remember is to not give up and not get discouraged the first few months when/if you see your skin get worse. If it still isn't helping after a few months, then it might be time to change what you're using.
Roxy - Your skin will be dry (itchy) and you may experience some purging (breaking out). You may want to slowly introduce your skin to Retinol by having 1 night one, 1 night off (or 1 night on, 2 nights off if your skin is more sensitive). If that doesn't help, you may need to do a short-contact therapy (put it on, let it soak up then rinse off) or buffer your skin with a moisturizer, etc. I also *think* I went through an initial purging when I started using it but that was a couple years ago, so I don't exactly remember. The important thing to remember is to not give up and not get discouraged the first few months when/if you see your skin get worse. If it still isn't helping after a few months, then it might be time to change what you're using.