I bought a similar pair of frye's and something just wasn't right. I returned them, almost ended up with Tory Burch ones then found perfect ones at Charles David. These remind me of the Frye's, too tough. The Tory Burch's were too dressy. The Charles David ones are perfect. Great with leggins, under jeans and.......with skirts. You need them to be good with lots of looks. I don't think the DVF ones are.