+1 the Estrela is definitely a better made bag than the Turenne as I looked at it today. I have the Estrela and I would say out of all my bags with the exception of my Artsy's is the best made bag by far. The canvas is thicker and soft with very nice lining. And when this bag patinas it is absolutely gorgeous! You can actually see the difference between the two bags in your photos. Estrela hands down. I was just in another thread where the person was deciding to sell her Artsy for the Estrela. I told her I couldn't decide but I think if I could only have one - the Estrela would be my pick for sure. Estrela is not a common bag at all.