Tambour Watch, Any good? Worth the Money?

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I am thinking of purchasing a Tambour watch. I have been searching on here for any info but not a lot comes up regarding LV's watches. Is this because they are not so popular?
Does anyone have one that can share their thoughts?
Or if you don't have one what are your thoughts on them?
Anyone have the light up connected watch? Are you pleased with it?
Pro's & con's would be great if anyone can share them, TIA :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers:
 
I don't really get the Light Up watch, or rather why they are even trying.

#1
Smart watches are tech, no matter what they do.
Why it matters is that fashion brands can't really own them. Ever. Vuitton has total control over every part of their products. Even the stuff that they don't manufacture themselves, those things are made to their specifications. There are a very few exceptions, some lifestyle products are off-the-shelf, like their pencils (they literally just rebrand a mediocre mid-range pencil and sell them in a Vuitton pouch, fun fact, Gucci sells the very same product with their own branding), and the other exceptions are tech products. Vuitton can't design drivers for their earpods, can't design custom chips or screen for their smartwatch, and most importantly, these things run an operating system, that they cannot develop or control. They use Android, they did put a cheap skin on it, but it is still Android.

#2
It is Android.
It is a mediocre experience, Android Watch as a platform is struggling and since it wasn't able to achieve any substantial user base, Google is visible neglecting it.
Most of the wealthy Vuitton buyers use iPhones. Obviously. If someone wants a smartwatch, using an Android one instead of an Apple Watch is like trying to run in snow boots. And being an Apple Watch partner is out of the question, that train never even got close to the station. The only viable way to make a 'luxury' smartwatch is what Apple is doing with Hermès. It only works well if it is a products of a tech company who owns the platform, who get the fashion magic sprinkled on by a partner. Apple chose Hermès. They wanted only the best, and had the money and negotiating power to get that. Anything lesser would have impacted their own brand too.

#3
They get obsolete.
Batteries die, the software gets slow, etc... these products are not as long lasting as a classic watch or any Vuitton leather good. This goes back to point #2, if Apple carefully picked the $1.300-1.500 price range for their 'luxury' watch range (since the gold watches and most Edition models since 2015 failed miserably), then pricing a lesser quality product way above that is insane. We won't ever know, but I wouldn't be surprised if they can only sell a few thousand of these.

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My thought on their regular watches are a bit different though.
They are not popular. At all.

Their quartz fashion line is very expensive compared to similar Gucci or Hermès. But since those are truly fashion watches, they never really mattered.

Their mechanical game is taken seriously though. They invested heavily into that, both money and time wise. The fact that 1 of the 5 Arnault children is the head of just their Watch division tells a lot. But there are 2 factors why they are a worse pick than a legacy watch brand.

#1
It takes time.
A fun new manufacturer can gain some popularity quickly, but they are not trying to compete with Nomos, but with Rolex. And it took decades and decades for all of the top legacy brands to achieve their position. Years of good marketing sprinkled with good innovation, and exceptional quality along the way. Vuitton is only 21 years old as a watchmaker. And even though they are trying very hard, most watch enthusiasts still consider them just a fashion brand, no matter how much effort they did put into it. We can call them watch snobs, but they are the ones who judge and decide, the ones that drive both the primary and secondary market. They will judge differently after a Tambour will be the first watch landing on Mars, or the one that King Charles accidentally drops in the Mariana Trench, but until it gains historic relevance, Vuitton will remain a fashion brand.

#2
The quality is not there.
Even on their high end watches. They came up with amazing technical innovations in La Fabrique du Temps, but their manufacturing is far from what Rolex and LeCoultre can do. And since Vuitton was not shy about the price tags, their watches compete with those high-end watches, that has both the history and the impeccable craftsmanship. The last time I was reading a review on one of their super high-end watches, the close up pics were excruciating. I have a good analogy for that. They are doing the same with their leathergoods. Look at a Capucines from afar. Very well made. Then look at the edge paint up close, and compare it to an Hermès, or even a Peter Nitz (because that is the leather equivalent of an A. Lange & Söhne). The Vuitton will feel cheap and poorly done. This is the same with their watches. They just try to skip that additional (and pricy) extra step, that is usually the 'hand-made' part, and is very labour intensive. But in that high-end sphere you cannot skip that, because it will stink. Some hype beast princes might pay for a blinged out LV for instagram points, but those won't retain their value or have any significant value in 30-50-90 years.

They are playing the long game, they have all the money and time for that, but it is a gamble. For both them and their watch buyers. If they, by chance, gain relevance in the watch world, having a first generation Tambour from 2002 will be an amazing privilege. But if not, which seems more likely at this point, then...
They are trying — or tried — the same with Moynat. They bought an ancient brand to make their own Hermès/Goyard competitor, but it couldn't really gain traction ever since. You can't just buy heritage off the shelf and fake it till you make it.

Sorry for the long post :)
 
I don't really get the Light Up watch, or rather why they are even trying.

#1
Smart watches are tech, no matter what they do.
Why it matters is that fashion brands can't really own them. Ever. Vuitton has total control over every part of their products. Even the stuff that they don't manufacture themselves, those things are made to their specifications. There are a very few exceptions, some lifestyle products are off-the-shelf, like their pencils (they literally just rebrand a mediocre mid-range pencil and sell them in a Vuitton pouch, fun fact, Gucci sells the very same product with their own branding), and the other exceptions are tech products. Vuitton can't design drivers for their earpods, can't design custom chips or screen for their smartwatch, and most importantly, these things run an operating system, that they cannot develop or control. They use Android, they did put a cheap skin on it, but it is still Android.

#2
It is Android.
It is a mediocre experience, Android Watch as a platform is struggling and since it wasn't able to achieve any substantial user base, Google is visible neglecting it.
Most of the wealthy Vuitton buyers use iPhones. Obviously. If someone wants a smartwatch, using an Android one instead of an Apple Watch is like trying to run in snow boots. And being an Apple Watch partner is out of the question, that train never even got close to the station. The only viable way to make a 'luxury' smartwatch is what Apple is doing with Hermès. It only works well if it is a products of a tech company who owns the platform, who get the fashion magic sprinkled on by a partner. Apple chose Hermès. They wanted only the best, and had the money and negotiating power to get that. Anything lesser would have impacted their own brand too.

#3
They get obsolete.
Batteries die, the software gets slow, etc... these products are not as long lasting as a classic watch or any Vuitton leather good. This goes back to point #2, if Apple carefully picked the $1.300-1.500 price range for their 'luxury' watch range (since the gold watches and most Edition models since 2015 failed miserably), then pricing a lesser quality product way above that is insane. We won't ever know, but I wouldn't be surprised if they can only sell a few thousand of these.

———————

My thought on their regular watches are a bit different though.
They are not popular. At all.

Their quartz fashion line is very expensive compared to similar Gucci or Hermès. But since those are truly fashion watches, they never really mattered.

Their mechanical game is taken seriously though. They invested heavily into that, both money and time wise. The fact that 1 of the 5 Arnault children is the head of just their Watch division tells a lot. But there are 2 factors why they are a worse pick than a legacy watch brand.

#1
It takes time.
A fun new manufacturer can gain some popularity quickly, but they are not trying to compete with Nomos, but with Rolex. And it took decades and decades for all of the top legacy brands to achieve their position. Years of good marketing sprinkled with good innovation, and exceptional quality along the way. Vuitton is only 21 years old as a watchmaker. And even though they are trying very hard, most watch enthusiasts still consider them just a fashion brand, no matter how much effort they did put into it. We can call them watch snobs, but they are the ones who judge and decide, the ones that drive both the primary and secondary market. They will judge differently after a Tambour will be the first watch landing on Mars, or the one that King Charles accidentally drops in the Mariana Trench, but until it gains historic relevance, Vuitton will remain a fashion brand.

#2
The quality is not there.
Even on their high end watches. They came up with amazing technical innovations in La Fabrique du Temps, but their manufacturing is far from what Rolex and LeCoultre can do. And since Vuitton was not shy about the price tags, their watches compete with those high-end watches, that has both the history and the impeccable craftsmanship. The last time I was reading a review on one of their super high-end watches, the close up pics were excruciating. I have a good analogy for that. They are doing the same with their leathergoods. Look at a Capucines from afar. Very well made. Then look at the edge paint up close, and compare it to an Hermès, or even a Peter Nitz (because that is the leather equivalent of an A. Lange & Söhne). The Vuitton will feel cheap and poorly done. This is the same with their watches. They just try to skip that additional (and pricy) extra step, that is usually the 'hand-made' part, and is very labour intensive. But in that high-end sphere you cannot skip that, because it will stink. Some hype beast princes might pay for a blinged out LV for instagram points, but those won't retain their value or have any significant value in 30-50-90 years.

They are playing the long game, they have all the money and time for that, but it is a gamble. For both them and their watch buyers. If they, by chance, gain relevance in the watch world, having a first generation Tambour from 2002 will be an amazing privilege. But if not, which seems more likely at this point, then...
They are trying — or tried — the same with Moynat. They bought an ancient brand to make their own Hermès/Goyard competitor, but it couldn't really gain traction ever since. You can't just buy heritage off the shelf and fake it till you make it.

Sorry for the long post :smile:
Wow amazing input! Thank you so much :flowers: A very interesting & helpful read. I really appreciate the time you have put in to write all of this. I didn't realise the light up watches were Android & not Apple. I do own a Hermes Apple Watch but hardly wear it. Maybe I should just purchase a new strap for it & start enjoying what I already have.
I don't want to spend £1000's on a watch that is not going to retain its value in the long run.
I think maybe I will look at other brands for a classic watch.
I really appreciate everyone's views & opinions. Thank you all so so much :heart:
 
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Which Tambour are you considering? The newly announced one?


They are changing their watch division and how it's going to be marketed. No more fashion or quartz watches. 80% of the watches are being cut, and around 15 boutiques will be displaying high watches and jewelry in US/CA.


I have the connected watch, its nice, but not very useful compared to other smartwatches I've had. It's not android based, it's LV's own software, which makes it very limited since no extra apps to load. Its more of a visual smartwatch, looks very nice and they keep adding new faces.
I use it when I don't where a mechanical watch.

I also consider my self a watch person, perhaps an "enthusiast".. I have/had in my collection from many brands.
I've handled their high watches and commend them for what they are doing. My boutique has a watch specialist, and I've spent time talking to him, very knowledge.
Their high watches are far above the regular Rolex and JLC quality in finishings and very limited. Their new Tambour is the start of their entry level now in high watches.

Jean Arnault is young, but in his interviews, he show's his knowledge of horology and excitement for it. In the short time, he's heading relaunch of Gerald Genta and Daniel Roth brands while introducing their new direction in horology for LV.
I agree it's going to take time for them, there's several factors that make watches successful, and LV has the tools to do it.

For high watches, I don't think their target is Rolex nor your average watch owner. They're targeting clients who are looking to add something new to their collection


 
Yeah, my bad, the old one was Android, this one doesn't even have that. Although my guess is that they just made a locked down Android fork, building this from the ground up would have be an overkill, and based on their current digital endeavours, not a successful one :D
I'll try to find that article with the close ups. They looked horrible.
But I am glad that they are trying to step up their game. I kinda wish that they succeed.
 
I'm always amazed by people are willing to spend that much money on a watch instead of on an Apple Watch or Rolex, haha, I know Rolex is much more expensive but that's ultimate luxury watch in my opinion.
 
I'm always amazed by people are willing to spend that much money on a watch instead of on an Apple Watch or Rolex, haha, I know Rolex is much more expensive but that's ultimate luxury watch in my opinion.

Rolex makes nice watches, but they are mostly mass produced and not considered high horology. They are a well established brand that makes great watches. Their off-catalogue pieces border on fine jewelry, but they don't do outstanding movement finishing and complications.
Also the new LV Tambour is 20k, which will be starting price for their new line. Most stainless steel Rolex are much less.
 
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Rolex makes nice watches, but they are mostly mass produced and not considered high horology. They are a well established brand that makes great watches. Their off-catalogue pieces border on fine jewelry, but they don't do outstanding movement finishing and complications.
Also the new LV Tambour is 20k, which will be starting price for their new line. Most stainless steel Rolex are much less.
Thanks for the explanation :flowers:
 
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