Ok. We have discussed veins in great detail but which do you prefer, shine or matte finish? I noticed a big difference in the leather on the pale pink color thread and I am curious because I was thinking of buying a pale pink bag. I knew BNY had some bags in pale pink so I called them. I asked if theirs were shiny or matte and she said somewhat shiny but that would disappear. She said the matte one I saw was probably treated (it wasn't). She implied that matte was more desirable but I personally think I like the shine in the pale pink bags better but she didn't have a purse style, which is what I really want. So which is it? Do they get more matte or more shiny over time? Which do you prefer? Does it depend on the color of the bag?