Serial # - newer piece?

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dbcelly

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Hi, looking at reseller sites and am confused about if serial numbers correspond to when a necklace (or bracelet etc) is made? For example, looking at a sweet mop necklace made in 2019, it has serial # starting with 'JB'. But then I see the same necklaces made (or listed as purchased) in 2021 with serial #s starting 'JC' and 'JB'.

So, does this mean the 'JC' necklace is made more recently?

Know it ultimately doesn't matter as long as the necklace is in good condition, but I do want to be informed when looking at all authenticity info.
 
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HADASSA said:
Answering this question will only aid in giving counterfeiters the tools they are looking for. I do think that you should get any piece professionally authenticated or risk losing money if a piece turns out to be fake through amateur authentication.
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I considered this before posting my question. I think counterfeiters already have tools at their disposal: many reseller sites show the full serial # and authenticity certificate.

My question comes from a place of trying to understand, similar to how seeing a 30* series # Chanel bag will help someone understand it was a piece made in 2020; or a medium classic flap's product code starts with A01112.

If JB* or JC* VCA serial ID's don't signify anything, great. If other TPFers have noticed a pattern (larger serial #s, i.e after the two alpha letters, are newer / recent pieces), and are comfortable to share, great.
 
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dbcelly said:
I considered this before posting my question. I think counterfeiters already have tools at their disposal: many reseller sites show the full serial # and authenticity certificate.

My question comes from a place of trying to understand, similar to how seeing a 30* series # Chanel bag will help someone understand it was a piece made in 2020; or a medium classic flap's product code starts with A01112.

If JB* or JC* VCA serial ID's don't signify anything, great. If other TPFers have noticed a pattern (larger serial #s, i.e after the two alpha letters, are newer / recent pieces), and are comfortable to share, great.
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Even if OTHER members have the info you are looking for, they are NOT allowed to share such sensitive information.

@Notorious Pink, can you please help me out here. I think you are better at explaining...
 
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We don’t have a rule about it, a lot of members, however, have preferences regarding discussing hallmarks of counterfeits and authenticity.
 
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HADASSA said:
Even if OTHER members have the info you are looking for, they are NOT allowed to share such sensitive information.

@Notorious Pink, can you please help me out here. I think you are better at explaining...
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Swanky said:
We don’t have a rule about it, a lot of members, however, have preferences regarding discussing hallmarks of counterfeits and authenticity.
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I stand corrected (and my humble apologies) - I just find discussing such sensitive information plays too much into the hands of those trying to "perfect the art" of COUNTERFEITING.

As much as I would like to be informed as @dbcelly, I would personally choose NOT to do so on a VERY PUBLIC FORUM.
 
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No problem. This is why I still come to TPF: users can share info, opinions, express concerns, or choose to do nothing at all.

Given the lack of info on this (from my previous search), there probably is no clear rule for VCA. Just based on what I've seen on reseller sites (e.g Fashionphile), newer pieces seem to start with J*
 
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dbcelly said:
My question comes from a place of trying to understand, similar to how seeing a 30* series # Chanel bag will help someone understand it was a piece made in 2020; or a medium classic flap's product code starts with A01112.
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I see your point. The Chanel group seems more open about these things but I also see why the ladies here are more guarded about specifics. I've always wondered myself how to decipher the serial numbers and what year they correspond with.
 
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HADASSA said:
Even if OTHER members have the info you are looking for, they are NOT allowed to share such sensitive information.

@Notorious Pink, can you please help me out here. I think you are better at explaining...
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Swanky said:
We don’t have a rule about it, a lot of members, however, have preferences regarding discussing hallmarks of counterfeits and authenticity.
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I'm sorry, @HADASSA it's been a busy few days!

@Swanky it's always been my understanding that we cannot authenticate here, or discuss authenticity-related issues, which this type of question deals with. I'm going to see if I can dig up where I read that, about a million years ago.

Although TBH even if it's against the rules, it's not a good idea regardless. Besides not wanting to help counterfeiters (even if they have the info, we shouldn't be a source for supplying it), there are people who may think they have the right answer but wind up offering incorrect information. I've had to issue so many corrections to bad information that gets recirculated on the Hermès boards with regard to certain leathers getting wet, it has just confused things.
 
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Notorious Pink said:
I'm sorry, @HADASSA it's been a busy few days!

@Swanky it's always been my understanding that we cannot authenticate here, or discuss authenticity-related issues, which this type of question deals with. I'm going to see if I can dig up where I read that, about a million years ago.

Although TBH even if it's against the rules, it's not a good idea regardless. Besides not wanting to help counterfeiters (even if they have the info, we shouldn't be a source for supplying it), there are people who may think they have the right answer but wind up offering incorrect information. I've had to issue so many corrections to bad information that gets recirculated on the Hermès boards with regard to certain leathers getting wet, it has just confused things.
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Hello there ... thank you for responding - better late than never ;)

I felt like I was not explaining myself properly for the original poster to understand the ramifications of such information being widely disseminated on a public forum.

I do subscribe to an UNSPOKEN RULE by which we are guided.
 
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HADASSA said:
Hello there ... thank you for responding - better late than never ;)

I felt like I was not explaining myself properly for the original poster to understand the ramifications of such information being widely disseminated on a public forum.

I do subscribe to an UNSPOKEN RULE by which we are guided.
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You said it perfectly :hugs:and I agree 1000%.
 
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I don't take what I read on TPF as certainty or replacement of professional authentication services.

I have noticed discussions around how VCA clasps have changed over the years, and users providing 'opinions' / observations (e.g. through showing their own piece) on whether a certain clasp looks right for a given year, for a piece someone else is interested in (not the thread/post I'm thinking of, but here's what came up on a quick search: https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/vintage-alhambra-necklace-clasp.1021410/).
So, I figured others MAY have observations on serial #. Clearly, there are none - whether it be knowledge from VCA or observations based on personal purchases - that TPF users have been willing or even have the knowledge to share.

Hopefully, this alleviates concerns from those around how we may indirectly contribute to counterfeiters' knowledge. My personal opinion is counterfeiters couldn't care less as they knowingly break the law by producing these anyway. Their easy access to full serial numbers, detailed pictures & videos of hallmarks and designs already gives them the arsenal to make counterfeits. True problem IMO is the buyers of these - i.e. there's a demand that fuels counterfeiters! Don't think these buyers care if their fakes have serials that starts with JC or JB..

dbcelly said:
No problem. This is why I still come to TPF: users can share info, opinions, express I concerns, or choose to do nothing at all.

Given the lack of info on this (from my previous search), there probably is no clear rule for VCA. Just based on what I've seen on reseller sites (e.g Fashionphile), newer pieces seem to start with J*
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