caviar e/w flap tonight. My SA showed me the large rock and chain hobo in black and it's actually NOT a hobo at all. It's not meant to be worn on the shoulder. When I attempted to wear it on my shoulder, it was awkward and had to be positioned a certain way. When I tried to wear it that way on my shoulder, my arm literally stuck out like the michelin man. It's a cute bag, but not me. I was expecting a hobo that could be worn comfortably on the shoulder. I did *love* the color of the new red caviar. She was holding the red e/w flap for her client and wanted to show me the color. It's a true red with the color code 81643, and this is the exact color that my red jumbo will be. I also saw the soft handle ligne in a tote style, which is gorgeous but rather pricey at over 2750.00, and a flap style which was 1950. Hope my description will help, I know that many Pfers were wondering about the large rock and chain and the color of the red caviar!