Rounded Font on Tags

[Deco]

Omg..this gorgeous.

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@muchstuff, can you look at this one? I've seen this rounded font on the tag over and over again on otherwise convincing bags. Even the back of the tag looks legit. Do you know anything about these? Last time I asked you about a bag with this font you confirmed fake, but I don't know if it was for reasons other than the rounded font.

 

[muchstuff]

@muchstuff, can you look at this one? I've seen this rounded font on the tag over and over again on otherwise convincing bags. Even the back of the tag looks legit. Do you know anything about these? Last time I asked you about a bag with this font you confirmed fake, but I don't know if it was for reasons other than the rounded font.

It looks OK to me (I can't recall the other one that was fake?) I did find one interesting thing. The colour code for lagon is 4460 but the smaller items seem to be 4415.

 

[Deco]

It looks OK to me (I can't recall the other one that was fake?) I did find one interesting thing. The colour code for lagon is 4460 but the smaller items seem to be 4415.

The other one was a purple city. Every time I see a bag with this rounded font on the front tag, the bag otherwise looks fine. I just don’t know if this rounded font is known to be legit.

here‘s another Lagon small bag with the 4415 color code, but the font on the front is not rounded. They both look fine to me. So can we assume the rounded font is fine?

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[muchstuff]

The other one was a purple city. Every time I see a bag with this rounded font on the front tag, the bag otherwise looks fine. I just don’t know if this rounded font is known to be legit.

here‘s another Lagon small bag with the 4415 color code, but the font on the front is not rounded. They both look fine to me. So can we assume the rounded font is fine?

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Am you define exactly what is the rounded font?

 

[Deco]

Am you define exactly what is the rounded font?

If you look at the circle part of the Ps in Paris, for example, on the clutch (1st photo) the round part of the letter rises above the top of the vertical line and then after making the round, swoops back up to join the vertical line. It looks more round. While on the hip and almost all other bags, the tops and bottoms of the round part of the P are flat and perfectly flush with the top and perpendicular to the vertical line. Same with the Rs.

I added (3rd photo) a better photo of the standard what I’m calling “flat” font, as opposed to the rounded one on the clutch.

 

[Rose100]

If you look at the circle part of the Ps in Paris, for example, on the clutch (1st photo) the round part of the letter rises above the top of the vertical line and then after making the round, swoops back up to join the vertical line. It looks more round. While on the hip and almost all other bags, the tops and bottoms of the round part of the P are flat and perfectly flush with the top and perpendicular to the vertical line. Same with the Rs.

I added (3rd photo) a better photo of the standard what I’m calling “flat” font, as opposed to the rounded one on the clutch.

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Might be that the stamper was a little different for whatever factory made each type of bag.
Now I want to go look at all of mine, LOL.

 

[muchstuff]

The other one was a purple city. Every time I see a bag with this rounded font on the front tag, the bag otherwise looks fine. I just don’t know if this rounded font is known to be legit.

here‘s another Lagon small bag with the 4415 color code, but the font on the front is not rounded. They both look fine to me. So can we assume the rounded font is fine?

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OK here's the thing. If you look back historically through TPF you'll find more than one authenticator saying that 2012 bags make them nervous. Apparently, and I say that only because I was told, I have no origin story, it was a super fake year. K tags. So, if we go by the flat P theory, any others could be super fakes. If so there are a lot of them out there, here are a few I've found .



Are they all super fakes? Remember, 2012 was a year of tag changes. These have all come from reputable sites. On close inspection some of them look sloppy. See the tag backs below, both K tags.



So, I have no definitive answer on this. I often wonder how many fakes are passed off as authentic. Or should we not expect every single tag to look exactly the same? Anyone else want to try their hand at authentication?

 

[muchstuff]

I remember another TPF member talking to me about machine calibration and how it can throw things off. Was it possible that some of the machines had calibration that was off? SO many questions...

 

[Deco]

I remember another TPF member talking to me about machine calibration and how it can throw things off. Was it possible that some of the machines had calibration that was off? SO many questions...

I think this too. Especially given that these bags nail every other detail. Faking a standard black or brown or red bag might be easy, though unlikely the fakers can mimic every last detail. But still, possible. I think it’s much harder to fake the leather quality plus a signature Balenciaga color. Like Lagon. Like Ultraviolet. Like Rose Thulian.

For what it’s worth (not a whole lot), given my risk-taking, swashbuckling nature, I would probably buy a rounded font bag I really wanted, if it otherwise ticked all the boxes. I understand the hesitation to authenticate them for others. But if you’re taking a vote count on this rounded font, I vote authentic.

 

[muchstuff]

I think this too. Especially given that these bags nail every other detail. Faking a standard black or brown or red bag might be easy, though unlikely the fakers can mimic every last detail. But still, possible. I think it’s much harder to fake the leather quality plus a signature Balenciaga color. Like Lagon. Like Ultraviolet. Like Rose Thulian.

For what it’s worth (not a whole lot), given my risk-taking, swashbuckling nature, I would probably buy a rounded font bag I really wanted, if it otherwise ticked all the boxes. I understand the hesitation to authenticate them for others. But if you’re taking a vote count on this rounded font, I vote authentic.

I hope members reading this understand a bit better why we insist on the required photos. We’re offering our best educated guesses. Missing photos and poor lighting don’t help.

 

[betty*blackbent]

I think this too. Especially given that these bags nail every other detail. Faking a standard black or brown or red bag might be easy, though unlikely the fakers can mimic every last detail. But still, possible. I think it’s much harder to fake the leather quality plus a signature Balenciaga color. Like Lagon. Like Ultraviolet. Like Rose Thulian.

For what it’s worth (not a whole lot), given my risk-taking, swashbuckling nature, I would probably buy a rounded font bag I really wanted, if it otherwise ticked all the boxes. I understand the hesitation to authenticate them for others. But if you’re taking a vote count on this rounded font, I vote authentic.

My educated opinion (decades of handling in person things that are commonly counterfeited for a living, though not so much Bal specifically as we have seen) is that as a rule, if every proprietary detail like specific leather color, hardware etc is correct, and the only variation is something like a tiny difference in a font individually pressed into leather, in various locations each with a different machine...the odds are 99.99% that it's real.

Especially with a brand like Bal, which is very internally consistent compared to, say, the autentification nightmare that is 60s-90s Gucci.

 

[Addy]

Moved the chat from the Finds thread here...

 

[muchstuff]

Moved the chat from the Finds thread here...

Where to Addy?

 

[Addy]

Where to Addy?

To this new thread

 

[muchstuff]

To this new thread

Gawd I'm stupid, thanks Addy!