Rouge H Kelly Retourne....Clemence?

Mar 13, 2009
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Hi, I would greatly appreciate some insight from the Hermes experts! I have been offered a Kelly Retourne in Clemence leather - rouge h with silver - 32. Rouge H is my favorite colour and my dream bag is a rouge H box Kelly Sellier. I own a marine blue box Sellier and adore the bag! My question is whether Clemence leather will slouch over time and distort the shape of the bag? I love Rouge H and am torn between waiting for my dream box Kelly or accepting the Clemence Retourne! Suggestions needed please! Many thanks
 

Macaroon13

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The bag you described (retourne, clemence) will slouch over time, that is just the nature of it! I personally love clemence and I like having different bags with different leathers for various occasions. To me, having a clemence retourne kelly is a nice contrast to your blue box kelly that you can use for more casual weekend outings - i love the pop colors for weekends. but if you are absolutely set on having more rigid H bags then this bag is probably not for you; don't settle!
 
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A Rouge H Kelly in Clemence with PHW is gorgeous, but it is a completely different bag to a Rouge H box sellier. I have the latter - a K28 sellier in RH box calf - and it's absolutely beautiful, but the bag you are talking about is so different in shape, vibe, and usage that I'd want both (and in fact will get a Rouge H Kelly in a softer leather some day soon).

The shape and structure you are looking for in a sellier will not exist in a retourné, not even close, except in a fairly rigid leather like box calf. If you do not like slouch I would stay away from Clemence overall.

It is possible to find the bag you describe (K32, seller, Rouge H box) in the pre-loved/vintage market reasonably quickly if you are OK with that. It will probably have GHW but that bag looks best with GHW IMO.

I still think you've been offered an amazing bag but it WILL slouch and two Rouge H Kellys is overkill for most, so I would hold out.

Good luck!!!
 
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I have a rouge H clemence kelly 35 phw and I love it. Casual and dressy. Mine hasn't slouched much, but as others have said, it will have a totally different look to a sellier in a rigid leather.

Good luck with what you decide :0
 

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I'm with QuelleFromage. A retourne is a totally different look than a sellier. It's more casual, relaxed and modern while a sellier is more classic and sophisticated. If you're looking for a Kelly with a different vibe than what you already have then go for it. You'll get so much use out of a retourne. But if you have your heart set on a sellier box and don't think you'll be able to stop wanting it even after you get a retourne then I'd suggest you wait. Have you gone in to see it and try it on? You'll know when you see her. G'luck deciding.
 

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imo you should always wait for the bag you dream of, especially at this price point. but the bag they are offering you is my dream bag, lol (though i think i would prefer gold hardware on rouge H)!
 

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will definitely slouch over time with use. its best to see the bag for yourself and decide if you like the colour first of all...new rouge h in clemence vs new rouge h in boxcalf v vintage rouge h in boxcalf can be very different colours! i have seen some very brown rouge h in recent years in togo, clemence and boxcalf.....the older/vintage rouge h in boxcalf definitely has more red than the recent crop i have seen!
 
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will definitely slouch over time with use. its best to see the bag for yourself and decide if you like the colour first of all...new rouge h in clemence vs new rouge h in boxcalf v vintage rouge h in boxcalf can be very different colours! i have seen some very brown rouge h in recent years in togo, clemence and boxcalf.....the older/vintage rouge h in boxcalf definitely has more red than the recent crop i have seen!
This is very true, another reason why I prefer Rouge H box in vintage, although I just saw a new Evelyne in RH Clemence and it looked like classic Rouge H. You need to see the colour.
 

kashmira

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I have such Kelly and LOVE it! Mine is rather old but I think it is holding up well. My 30 cm Birkin in togo is slouching a lot more to be honest.
 

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I have the same combi n LOVE it... Like everyone else says its v different from a sellier so if that is what you are looking for pls wait... I am a fan of both styles and love a retourne clemence/togo Kelly exactly because it slouches looks casual and chic! Plus rouge H goes with everything....
 
Mar 13, 2009
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They wouldn't hold the bag so I rushed to the store and bought it, the salesperson said is refundable for two weeks. The colour is gorgeous, seems a nicer colour than the rouge h in box....am just not used to Clemence, it's so different from my box Kelly which I think I prefer as a style, don't own a Retourne though! The colour is beautiful though......keep or return!??!
 

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Mar 13, 2009
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They wouldn't hold the bag so I rushed to the store and bought it, the salesperson said is refundable for two weeks. The colour is gorgeous, seems a nicer colour than the rouge h in box....am just not used to Clemence, it's so different from my box Kelly which I think I prefer as a style, don't own a Retourne though! The colour is beautiful though......keep or return!??!
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