I didn't want to use my brand new Speedy 30 DA and get the leather patina. So I purchase these instead. This is in mint condition with starting to have a light patina. Made in France in 2007. I am still waiting for the 30 to deliver next week. I feel a little odd to have two speedy 30 in DA. I feel like when is preLove I don't have to be so careful with it.