Prince

Nothing at all. Not a single thing at all. I literally don't care one way or the other what his tastes were privately, and I'm sure neither did/does my daughter. But she is/was a potential fan, and I would think he would have wanted to continue having people, especially new people, find and appreciate his work. :smile:

But my point was that if he is seen as throwing around 'un'gracious and ... well ... snotty ... comments, then it's not difficult for others to retort, now, with some equally snotty come-backs, and like it or not, the manner of his death is some pretty easy fodder. My teen, who actually has been a peripheral fan thanks to what she's been exposed to in the past, even made that leap herself, and voiced one of those equally snotty come-backs last night. Why? Because she likes something of Sheeran's too. She's not a mean girl. Honestly, she isn't. But get someone's hackles up with something that sounds rude and snotty about something you may innocently like, and that's what happens. Heck, as a mother with a daughter in high school, constantly on guard for the threat of drugs, I made the same reactive leap myself. Ironically, it's this author that's "throwing this shade", but making Prince the target of the comebacks as a result.

I think bag-mania made an interesting point above, with her comments on the "space" or state he may have been in when he wrote those remarks, which is of course understandable, and I further thank her for explaining that it was said privately and not necessarily intended to go public. But the fact that this author took it public, as if he felt Prince may have even been fine with it going public, and especially in such a sound-byte way that gets splashed across media pages (yes probably as click-bait) ... I'm sorry, but it does give the impression of Prince himself being rude, snarky, 'un'gracious, whatever you want to call it. And yes, I agree with you that the estate is apparently going for attention and money. Pretty much throwing Prince under the bus. ....... It is sad. I agree. I don't think this is the impression he would have wanted to leave with potential future fans.
So basically you're saying he can't voice opinions that won't be agreed upon by 99% of the people for fear of losing potential new fans?! I don't think that's how Prince ever operated. All he cared about was his music. He didn't make music just to gain new fans. So this comment of his seems to be in line and I don't want to put it solely down to him being in a bad mental state. He still performed right until his death so he had clear periods. If he were in such a bad state I doubt Perry and Sheeran would be his first and only thing on his mind. He was probably annoyed just like the rest of us to hear the same damn song for the fifth time in one day on the radio. I mean he was human after all. lol
 
Momtok, I hope you and your daughter will give Prince and his music another shot. As a massive fan, I have read many books about Prince, have listened to hundreds of his songs (released and unreleased), and there’s no question he was a conflicted, complex, and imperfect individual. He could be hard on those he was closest to, and then some. But for all of the negative stories you’ll hear about Prince, trust me, there are so many more that are out there about the incredible good that he did. He was a Gemini, after all, and he remained a mystery up until his tragic end. Anyway, I really believe he was our modern-day Mozart and we will never see a musical artist like Prince again in this lifetime ;) I hope this comment in the book doesn’t turn away potential new fans, because the music he left us is sublime ; )
 




Film Of Prince At Age 11 Discovered In Archival Footage Of 1970 Mpls. Teachers Strike
Author: Jeff WagnerApril 4, 2022 at 8:15 am

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — Deep in the WCCO film archives are hundreds, if not thousands of opportunities to travel back in time. And on one reel a treasure lay hidden, untouched, for 52 years.

The date was April 1970. Minneapolis Public Schools educators went on strike.

WCCO restored the film to offer context to the educators strike that happened in the same district just last month.

When WCCO Production Manager Matt Liddy learned 13 minutes of video had been restored from film in 1970, he decided to give it a look.

“I grew up in Minneapolis, so all I cared about was looking at cool old buildings from the place I grew up. Did I recognize my old school? Did I recognize any landmarks?” Liddy said.

His curiosity turned into a discovery when he saw a reporter interviewing kids as teachers picketed in the background next to school. And there was one young boy in particular who answered a question that left Liddy speechless.

“I immediately just went out to the newsroom and started showing people and saying, ‘I’m not gonna tell you who I think this is, but who do you think this is?’ And every single person [said] ‘Prince,’” Liddy said.

We didn’t have the right equipment to hear the film. A specialist helped us extract the audio. We then heard the boy speak after getting asked about the teachers striking. With a smile as his friends surrounded him, the boy who looked to be around 10 years old said: “I think they should get a better education too cause, um, and I think they should get some more money cause they work, they be working extra hours for us and all that stuff.”

It sure looked like child version of Prince Nelson, the Minneapolis kid who would turn into an international music icon. But there was one issue. The reporter never asked for the kid’s name.

“We did not get him saying ‘I’m Prince Nelson,’” Liddy said.

That set off our investigation. Right before the who boy who appeared to be Prince was interviewed, another young boy spoke. He charismatically said his name without even being asked. His name was Ronnie Kitchen.

We spent a day searching for phone numbers and addresses, trying to find a Ronnie Kitchen who would be at least 60 years old. He looked like a teenager in the video 52 years ago. But the phone numbers and addresses we found were dead ends.

How about a picture? A yearbook photo showing Prince as a fifth grader popped up online. There were similarities in the face structure, but Prince would have been a sixth grader in the interview we found. We needed an expert, which led us to Kristen Zschomler. She’s a professional historian and archeologist who researches properties and landmarks around the Twin Cities. She’s also a dedicated fan of Prince who wanted to make sure other fans had trustworthy knowledge of where he grew up in Minneapolis, where he went to school, basically his life before he became a superstar.

“They called him Skipper,” she said as she showed us a family photo of Prince as a toddler. “I’ve written a big document sort of outlining his historic journey from Minneapolis’ northside to Paisley Park and the world.”

The document is well over 100 pages long.

Zschomler said videos of Prince as a pre-teen are almost non-existent in the public eye.

“As far as video, I am not familiar with any. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist but I’m not familiar with any,” she said.

Shortly into our interview, we showed her the video from the 1970 strike. She gasped when the boy who looked like Prince entered the frame, then a smile formed, followed by her struggling to compose a sentence when the video clip finished.

“I think that’s him, definitely. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I think that’s definitely Prince,” she said.

Another element of the video caught her eye in the background.

“This definitely looks like Lincoln Junior High School where he would have been attending school in April of 1970,” she said.

Zschomler then showed us what is believed to be a sixth-grade picture of Prince the same school year of the strike. We compared it to the strike video. The hairstyle was spot on.

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“There’s so much in his mannerisms and his eyes and everything that it looks like him,” she said.

Despite the evidence, we still needed someone who knew Prince as a kid. Zschomler connected us with Terrance Jackson.

“We go far back as kindergarten at John Hay Elementary in north Minneapolis,” Jackson said.

He’s a childhood friend and former neighbor who was also in Prince’s first band, Grand Central, when they were teenagers.

“Oh my God, that’s Kitchen,” Jackson exclaimed as the video began, immediately recognizing Ronnie Kitchen as a teenager. “That is Prince! Standing right there with the hat on, right? That’s Skipper! Oh my God!”

He was giddy with laughter. Then Prince began to speak. Jackson grew quiet, only saying “wow” a few times softly. By the end of the video, he was wiping tears from his eyes and laughing again.

“I am like blown away. I’m totally blown away,” he said, as the memories from their childhood flooded out.

“He was already playing guitar and keys by then, phenomenally,” Jackson said. “Music became our sport. Because he was athletic, I was athletic, but we wanted to compete musically.”

Jackson’s wife Rhoda grew up alongside them. She too couldn’t contain her laughter when she saw Prince, then heard him talk as an 11-year-old boy.

“It’s just amazing to see him, that small, that young, and hear his voice,” Rhoda said.

Our mystery regarding one of the most mysterious men in music was solved. Just a young city kid, years before he put his city and its sound on the map.

“That’s Prince, aka Skipper to the Northside,” Jackson said.

“I think just seeing Prince as a young child in his neighborhood school, you know, it helps really ground him to that Minneapolis connection,” Zschomler said. “Even if they’re momentary glimpses into what Minneapolis meant to him, what he stood up for when he lived in Minneapolis, just helps understand that symbiotic connection he had to his hometown.”

 
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Film Of Prince At Age 11 Discovered In Archival Footage Of 1970 Mpls. Teachers Strike
Author: Jeff WagnerApril 4, 2022 at 8:15 am

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — Deep in the WCCO film archives are hundreds, if not thousands of opportunities to travel back in time. And on one reel a treasure lay hidden, untouched, for 52 years.

The date was April 1970. Minneapolis Public Schools educators went on strike.

WCCO restored the film to offer context to the educators strike that happened in the same district just last month.

When WCCO Production Manager Matt Liddy learned 13 minutes of video had been restored from film in 1970, he decided to give it a look.

“I grew up in Minneapolis, so all I cared about was looking at cool old buildings from the place I grew up. Did I recognize my old school? Did I recognize any landmarks?” Liddy said.

His curiosity turned into a discovery when he saw a reporter interviewing kids as teachers picketed in the background next to school. And there was one young boy in particular who answered a question that left Liddy speechless.

“I immediately just went out to the newsroom and started showing people and saying, ‘I’m not gonna tell you who I think this is, but who do you think this is?’ And every single person [said] ‘Prince,’” Liddy said.

We didn’t have the right equipment to hear the film. A specialist helped us extract the audio. We then heard the boy speak after getting asked about the teachers striking. With a smile as his friends surrounded him, the boy who looked to be around 10 years old said: “I think they should get a better education too cause, um, and I think they should get some more money cause they work, they be working extra hours for us and all that stuff.”

It sure looked like child version of Prince Nelson, the Minneapolis kid who would turn into an international music icon. But there was one issue. The reporter never asked for the kid’s name.

“We did not get him saying ‘I’m Prince Nelson,’” Liddy said.

That set off our investigation. Right before the who boy who appeared to be Prince was interviewed, another young boy spoke. He charismatically said his name without even being asked. His name was Ronnie Kitchen.

We spent a day searching for phone numbers and addresses, trying to find a Ronnie Kitchen who would be at least 60 years old. He looked like a teenager in the video 52 years ago. But the phone numbers and addresses we found were dead ends.

How about a picture? A yearbook photo showing Prince as a fifth grader popped up online. There were similarities in the face structure, but Prince would have been a sixth grader in the interview we found. We needed an expert, which led us to Kristen Zschomler. She’s a professional historian and archeologist who researches properties and landmarks around the Twin Cities. She’s also a dedicated fan of Prince who wanted to make sure other fans had trustworthy knowledge of where he grew up in Minneapolis, where he went to school, basically his life before he became a superstar.

“They called him Skipper,” she said as she showed us a family photo of Prince as a toddler. “I’ve written a big document sort of outlining his historic journey from Minneapolis’ northside to Paisley Park and the world.”

The document is well over 100 pages long.

Zschomler said videos of Prince as a pre-teen are almost non-existent in the public eye.

“As far as video, I am not familiar with any. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist but I’m not familiar with any,” she said.

Shortly into our interview, we showed her the video from the 1970 strike. She gasped when the boy who looked like Prince entered the frame, then a smile formed, followed by her struggling to compose a sentence when the video clip finished.

“I think that’s him, definitely. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I think that’s definitely Prince,” she said.

Another element of the video caught her eye in the background.

“This definitely looks like Lincoln Junior High School where he would have been attending school in April of 1970,” she said.

Zschomler then showed us what is believed to be a sixth-grade picture of Prince the same school year of the strike. We compared it to the strike video. The hairstyle was spot on.

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“There’s so much in his mannerisms and his eyes and everything that it looks like him,” she said.

Despite the evidence, we still needed someone who knew Prince as a kid. Zschomler connected us with Terrance Jackson.

“We go far back as kindergarten at John Hay Elementary in north Minneapolis,” Jackson said.

He’s a childhood friend and former neighbor who was also in Prince’s first band, Grand Central, when they were teenagers.

“Oh my God, that’s Kitchen,” Jackson exclaimed as the video began, immediately recognizing Ronnie Kitchen as a teenager. “That is Prince! Standing right there with the hat on, right? That’s Skipper! Oh my God!”

He was giddy with laughter. Then Prince began to speak. Jackson grew quiet, only saying “wow” a few times softly. By the end of the video, he was wiping tears from his eyes and laughing again.

“I am like blown away. I’m totally blown away,” he said, as the memories from their childhood flooded out.

“He was already playing guitar and keys by then, phenomenally,” Jackson said. “Music became our sport. Because he was athletic, I was athletic, but we wanted to compete musically.”

Jackson’s wife Rhoda grew up alongside them. She too couldn’t contain her laughter when she saw Prince, then heard him talk as an 11-year-old boy.

“It’s just amazing to see him, that small, that young, and hear his voice,” Rhoda said.

Our mystery regarding one of the most mysterious men in music was solved. Just a young city kid, years before he put his city and its sound on the map.

“That’s Prince, aka Skipper to the Northside,” Jackson said.

“I think just seeing Prince as a young child in his neighborhood school, you know, it helps really ground him to that Minneapolis connection,” Zschomler said. “Even if they’re momentary glimpses into what Minneapolis meant to him, what he stood up for when he lived in Minneapolis, just helps understand that symbiotic connection he had to his hometown.”





i saw this and i love how excited people were to be able to see this part of him! what a fabulous find!