Prince Harry and Meghan Markle thread

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Guys, I can’t keep up with you guys...I sleep and wake up and its like a never ending novel... now there is poetry... I keep losing my page holder...
The word we are looking for is "saga", but if she keeps venturing into new literary territory, perhaps "compendium" might be more appropriate.
 

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100% agree.
H&M loudly divorced the Royal family. Sarah divorced Andrew, not the family.

This little boy does not look happy. Hidden message?
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Someone on another site asked why the father is black on some pages and white on others. He or she was told off by the stans for not understanding that the man in the pics was not Harry but some concept of fatherhood.

Fellow correspondents, we are venturing into myth creation and universe building here. That child is not unhappy. He is a personification of the inarticulate desire in each of us to renew and maintain that special bond we have with the paternal figure in our lives. (I knew that degree in literature would come in handy one day :biggrin: )
 

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This is interesting. Would this still be the case if the surrogate was american/contract was signed in america? Or is it based on where the baby is born?
It might be the later. I've read about parents using Ukrainian surrogates and not being able take the baby when the surrogate mother had second thoughts, because surrogacy agreements are apparently not enforceable in Ukraine, either. I find this practice disgusting to milk desperate parents-to-be even further and shatter their dreams , unless the surrogate supplied the eggs because it's a different case then.
I'm not entirely convinced that Ginge and Cringe used surrogates but I find that video very suspicious. IMO if they wanted they could do it secretly. I'm sure there are secrecy clauses in these kind of agreements. There are so many celebrities rumoured using surrogates, yet, I haven't seen those surrogates coming forward and selling their stories to the tabloids. It might be the amount of money or those gagging orders that keep them in the shadow. If Duchess Disney had used one for the first time, she had the whole BRF behind her in addition to a watertight agreement.
Regarding this funny little book of hers: I'm not a published author but I read articles and have a family member working as literary agent. What I read and hear is that the vast majority of books are refused by publishers even excellent ones. This highly mediocre effort of hers only got publishing, having good illustrator attached to it and the "free" publicity because of "her title". I think using a well-known illustrator of hit book also helps with the sales because it creates a subconscious connection as if The Bench had anything to do with the other book. I wonder where it would land on the list if it was published under a pseudonym and illustrated by somebody unknown. My guess is the bargain section - if it would be published at all.
 

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It might be the later. I've read about parents using Ukrainian surrogates and not being able take the baby when the surrogate mother had second thoughts, because surrogacy agreements are apparently not enforceable in Ukraine, either. I find this practice disgusting to milk desperate parents-to-be even further and shatter their dreams , unless the surrogate supplied the eggs because it's a different case then.
I'm not entirely convinced that Ginge and Cringe used surrogates but I find that video very suspicious. IMO if they wanted they could do it secretly. I'm sure there are secrecy clauses in these kind of agreements. There are so many celebrities rumoured using surrogates, yet, I haven't seen those surrogates coming forward and selling their stories to the tabloids. It might be the amount of money or those gagging orders that keep them in the shadow. If Duchess Disney had used one for the first time, she had the whole BRF behind her in addition to a watertight agreement.
Regarding this funny little book of hers: I'm not a published author but I read articles and have a family member working as literary agent. What I read and hear is that the vast majority of books are refused by publishers even excellent ones. This highly mediocre effort of hers only got publishing, having good illustrator attached to it and the "free" publicity because of "her title". I think using a well-known illustrator of hit book also helps with the sales because it creates a subconscious connection as if The Bench had anything to do with the other book. I wonder where it would land on the list if it was published under a pseudonym and illustrated by somebody unknown. My guess is the bargain section - if it would be published at all.
So I’m not sure about the situation in the Ukraine but in the UK it is actually illegal to charge for a fee for going through a surrogacy. You can claim expenses for loss of earnings/travel/living expenses and from what I understand though they are vetted by family court they are lenient about itemisation. Apparently it’s estimated the compensation for a surrogate is between 15k-30k which honestly doesn’t seem like a lot to me.
There are also agencies charges a fee to match and liaise between parents and willing surrogate. To me this is the most clearly commercialised bit of the process but we don’t have a system where a surrogate can legally demand lump sums to have the baby or to hand it over which is, I believe, more common in other countries.

Egg donation also follows the expenses claim model to a maximum of 8k in UK law.

I think it’s a little harsh the surrogate always wants to retain the baby for monetary gain & is being cruel. I can understand that you could agree to surrogacy with the best of intentions but find you bond with the baby so much you don’t want to give up motherhood. It’s not an easy situation to say who gets custody in my opinion and it’s got to be case by case. Especially if the family wants you to give up contact or take it to another area/country as is often the case with fertility tourism.

In UK law it is said that the woman who births the baby is the legal mother regardless of whose egg it is. You can see how this would create a problem with legitimacy for H&M as to be a true heir of the crown you need to be the child of both the married parents and not adopted. I know that this is different in US and other places, so I have to assume that if they did pursue the surrogacy route it would be with an American surrogate or another nationality than British as they would be understood to be the legal parents.

I totally agree that the law should be changed that disinherits adopted and children born from surrogacy. (This is also why Christopher Guest’s children can’t inherit the titles as they are adopted) I think if they discovered that infertility was an issue the BRF should’ve used it as an opportunity to update a backward inheritance law. (It’s weird as well as of course normally adopted children are classed as heirs even without a will.)

Though I suppose if your main argument for authority is your traceable bloodline then you would not be keen to draw attention to how ridiculous that is.


add on- does anyone remember that scandalous story where this Australian couple got a Thai surrogate to have twins for them and they only took the healthy twin and left her with the twin with Down’s syndrome? While the Thai mother said she was happy to raise her baby you can see that there are cases where it’s definitely a financial risk for the surrogate as well as the donors when it’s not properly regulate.
 
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