Prince Andrew and the Epstein scandal

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There are theories out there that they were all mossad and that the mossad was beyond the entire blackmailing Scheme and some other chimeras that are quite difficult for a regular person to follow.
The Reddit thread at one point was insane, for example.
Imo, trying to tie her father (who has been rumored to be Mossad agent) is an effort to promote this hypothesis.
That too but he also was a spy.
Way above my pay grade; however, the money it takes to run operations of this magnitude must emanate from something other than individuals.. either way, I'd speculate that JE must have turned the tables on everyone, (biting the hand feeds you comes to mind, as does servant/master).
 

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Way above my pay grade; however, the money it takes to run operations of this magnitude must emanate from something other than individuals.. either way, I'd speculate that JE must have turned the tables on everyone, (biting the hand feeds you comes to mind, as does servant/master).
Don't underestimate the power of really, really, really, really wealthy individuals! Actually pretty scary to think, as rich as he was, he didn't even make it to the very tops of the lists of the wealthy.
 
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Did you read the interview I posted? I think her race and gender are relevant.

The race/gender of the film maker is 100 % irrelevant as it pertains to Cuties. Is this to say that if an American caucasian male made this film then criticism is OK? Or wouldn't exist? But Doucoure can't be criticized without suggesting that critics are racist or misogynist? I think controversy surrounding any film more frequently promotes the film maker.

If any film showed an actor swatting a dog with a newspaper, PETA and social media would be going batsh*t cray cray and demand the firing of anybody and everybody associated with the film. But viewers of Cuties aren't allowed to voice a dissenting opinion without being criticized as destroying a young immigrant female film maker's career? Artists by their very nature often push the envelope of norms to provoke a response. To not think Cuties would create a firestorm backlash is disingenuous at best. It put Maimouna Doucoure on the map. Most likely on a lucrative trip to the bank. Praise AND criticism come along with the territory.

If Epstein and Maxwell were young and from immigrant backgrounds, would they be seen as "empowering" underage girls and exempt from criticism because they paid them lots of money for sexual favors and luxury travel to rebel against patriarchy? Of course not. Or at least I'd hope not. I think some critics of Cuties aren't so much hostile to the film itself, but in conjunction with social media pressure and some U.S. states contemplating lowering the age of sexual consent little by little through the next few years/decades see it as a slippery slope to eventual decriminalization of sex with minors, and denouncing Cuties is to be derided as a prudish relic from the past.
 
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I didn't even know who the director of Cuties was until I saw it in this thread. Can't speak for everyone else, but while I love to support underrepresented groups in any domain... these people are not immune to criticism. They aren't perfect. I'm an immigrant WOC. I'm not perfect, I don't always have perfect execution, and I think it's perfectly valid to criticize my work or anyone's work.

I'm not commenting any more on the movie itself since I haven't watched it so I think it's fair for posters to say, watch it before you form an opinion. But I'm just responding to the race/gender element of this. I will say I am also particularly sensitive to any themes of exploitation of women of color from poor backgrounds (very relevant to this thread actually).
 
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I guess no one is interested in reading the interview. It seems posters have made their minds up about a movie they haven’t seen and artist they aren’t curious in learning about. I guess I’m unusual these days...I always research everything before I form an opinion and I actually love the process of discovery :-s Oh well probably not a welcome sentiment in the gossip forum lol!
 
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I guess no one is interested in reading the interview. It seems posters have made their minds up about a movie they haven’t seen and artist they aren’t curious in learning about. I guess I’m unusual these days...I always research everything before I form an opinion and I actually love the process of discovery :-s Oh well probably not a welcome sentiment in the gossip forum lol!
I read the interview... I've watched a few live interviews she did too. I have nothing bad to say about the director's intentions; I think the idea of the movie is great but the execution of it is flawed. I hope she continues to make movies, and they get better and better so this is nothing about her as a person at all.

This is not that complicated.... I hate Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill films; I think they glorify and desensitize us to violence. I do not think he's a bad man and I have watched his subsequent films and enjoyed them, but you can't pay me to watch more Kill Bill films than I have. I don't need to know his intentions to know that I squirm watching his movies and it's not enjoyable to me. If people here have seen clips and are bothered by them, I don't think they need to watch the full thing to know it's a movie containing scenes or themes that bother them. I think it's absolutely fair for you to say "watch the movie before you form an opinion," but I think it's also fair for someone to watch clips of something and know it's not the right movie for them. This is the reason people read reviews or watch trailers.
 
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I read the interview... I've watched a few live interviews she did too. I have nothing bad to say about the director's intentions; I think the idea of the movie is great but the execution of it is flawed. I hope she continues to make movies, and they get better and better so this is nothing about her as a person at all.

This is not that complicated.... I hate Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill films; I think they glorify and desensitize us to violence. I do not think he's a bad man and I have watched his subsequent films and enjoyed them, but you can't pay me to watch more Kill Bill films than I have. I don't need to know his intentions to know that I squirm watching his movies and it's not enjoyable to me. If people here have seen clips and are bothered by them, I don't think they need to watch the full thing to know it's a movie containing scenes or themes that bother them. I think it's absolutely fair for you to say "watch the movie before you form an opinion," but I think it's also fair for someone to watch clips of something and know it's not the right movie for them. This is the reason people read reviews or watch trailers.
Yep! I don't research extensively about a director before I watch something. I watch the trailer, if I don't like it, then I don't watch the movie. Other people like to research that's fine. I didn't like the promo material of Cuties either. It's easy to say oh the message is this but if the message doesn't come through from the materials then it has failed to send that message. I also have low tolerance of graphic violence or horror so I would never watch Kill Bill myself.

Why can't people make peace with the fact that not everyone always likes the same things?
 
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I read the interview... I've watched a few live interviews she did too. I have nothing bad to say about the director's intentions; I think the idea of the movie is great but the execution of it is flawed. I hope she continues to make movies, and they get better and better so this is nothing about her as a person at
I agree, I was confused because you posted...

I didn't even know who the director of Cuties was until I saw it in this thread.
In any case of course everyone is allowed personal choice! I don't like most Tartino films either...but I don’t try to stop others from watching them. And I don’t publish reviews of them based on a clip. I simply don’t see them myself.

Why can't people make peace with the fact that not everyone always likes the same things?
Totally agree! Again it’s personal preference. I think the issue here is a young WOC is being denigrated by older white men based on their perception of the film, they’re calling for investigations and trying to have her “cancelled” despite never even seeing the film.

She is NOT Epstein and while I don’t know if I’ll watch the movie either now I understand her intention and would hate for that message to get lost amidst the misguided outrage and accusations.

 
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I read the interview... I've watched a few live interviews she did too. I have nothing bad to say about the director's intentions; I think the idea of the movie is great but the execution of it is flawed. I hope she continues to make movies, and they get better and better so this is nothing about her as a person at all.

This is not that complicated.... I hate Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill films; I think they glorify and desensitize us to violence. I do not think he's a bad man and I have watched his subsequent films and enjoyed them, but you can't pay me to watch more Kill Bill films than I have. I don't need to know his intentions to know that I squirm watching his movies and it's not enjoyable to me. If people here have seen clips and are bothered by them, I don't think they need to watch the full thing to know it's a movie containing scenes or themes that bother them. I think it's absolutely fair for you to say "watch the movie before you form an opinion," but I think it's also fair for someone to watch clips of something and know it's not the right movie for them. This is the reason people read reviews or watch trailers.
No one is asking you to like or even watch the movie, I am wondering why people are criticizing a movie without even watching it.
Anyways, it must be a cultural thing.
 

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Way above my pay grade; however, the money it takes to run operations of this magnitude must emanate from something other than individuals.. either way, I'd speculate that JE must have turned the tables on everyone, (biting the hand feeds you comes to mind, as does servant/master).
So what is your hypothesis regarding his master?
 
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In any case of course everyone is allowed personal choice! I don't like most Tartino films either...but I don’t try to stop others from watching them. And I don’t publish reviews of them based on a clip. I simply don’t see them myself.

Totally agree! Again it’s personal preference. I think the issue here is a young WOC is being denigrated by older white men based on their perception of the film, they’re calling for investigations and trying to have her “cancelled” despite never even seeing the film.

She is NOT Epstein and while I don’t know if I’ll watch the movie either now I understand her intention and would hate for that message to get lost amidst the misguided outrage and accusations.

I don't believe she is, not at all! I read stuff against the movie but I have not come across that comparison at all! There are people who are calling it child porn which I think it's not the case. It's grossly exaggerated!

@limom be angry all you want but the forum policy is no politics and it has no place in this thread!
 

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It is being promoted as being a coming-of-age story. Most people don't think of 11-year-olds as being on the brink of adulthood. Had the film been about 14-year-olds I doubt there would have been any uproar. Girls exploring their budding sexuality at 11 makes people uncomfortable for a reason. I'm glad it has a nice message at the end but the film isn't a concept everyone has to embrace.
 

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Hey y'all! Can we get back to discussing the monster Epstein?
Grazie!!
Prego ;)

Sasha Swire, wife of a British former Tory minister, Sir Hugo Swire, has this to add to our understanding of prince Andrew's character, in her upcoming tell all book:
"When Sir Hugo is knighted at Windsor Castle in 2016 he is worried it will be done by Prince Andrew, saying: 'I'm not kneeling down in front of that man. He might knight me with his todger' "

"Todger". God, I love the Queen's English :lol:


Slashed by her poison pen: They're the wickedest political diaries since Alan Clark's. Now, in this blistering review, we reveal the full glorious carnage of Sasha Swire's character assassinations
  • Sasha Swire's upcoming book takes swipes at many high-profile Cabinet figures
  • She also takes aim at the Royal Family and shares controversial anecdotes
  • The diarist with the wicked pen is the wife of former Tory minister Sir Hugo Swire
 
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