Prince Andrew and the Epstein scandal

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  1. Since he didn't have the good sense to keep his mouth shut Andrew has earned a place here. I doubt his thread will challenge the popularity of those of his nephews' wives but you never know. :biggrin:

    Here's an overview for those of us who did not see the BBC interview.

    Prince Andrew Talks About His Ties to Jeffrey Epstein, and Britain Is Appalled
    Viewers were incredulous that the Duke of York subjected himself to polite-but-relentless grilling about accusations that he had sex with a teenager.
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    When members of the British royal family consent to warts-and-all television interviews about their troubled private lives, it generally has the effect of roiling the waters rather than calming them.

    So when Prince Andrew set out to explain his friendship with the financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein in a BBC interview broadcast Saturday night, it backfired predictably.

    Viewers were left shaking their heads at the wisdom of consenting to a polite-but-relentless grilling by the journalist Emily Maitlis in the first place. Many said they found his statements alternately defensive, unpersuasive or just plain strange.

    Prince Andrew, also known as the Duke of York, repeatedly denied accusations by Virginia Roberts Giuffre that he had sex with her when she was 17 years old and had been offered to him by Mr. Epstein. Under insistent questioning by Ms. Maitlis, the duke insisted he had “no recollection” of meeting Ms. Giuffre.

    But he could not explain the photograph taken in a London house that appeared to show him with his arm around the girl’s bare waist, and with Mr. Epstein’s former girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, smiling in the background.

    He disputed her account of an alleged meeting between him and Ms. Giuffre in a club in London. She has claimed that he sweated profusely while they danced, but he told the BBC that he could not have sweated while dancing with her at the time because he had a medical condition, dating from his combat tour in the Falklands War, that did not allow him to perspire.

    He said he has since begun to sweat again.

    When asked whether he regretted his relationship with Mr. Epstein, which continued after the financier served time for soliciting a minor for prostitution, Prince Andrew said: “Do I regret the fact that he has quite obviously conducted himself in a manner unbecoming? Yes.”

    “Unbecoming?” the BBC interviewer, Ms. Maitlis, replied with a tone of incredulity. “He was a sex offender.”

    The duke quickly backtracked, saying: “Yeah, I’m sorry, I’m being polite. I mean, in the sense that he was a sex offender.”

    The reaction in the British media and on social media was uniformly withering.

    “Not one single word of remorse,” said a banner headline in The Mail on Sunday.

    “No Sweat … and No Regret,” said The Sunday Mirror.

    “I couldn’t have slept with teenager, I was at Pizza Express,” said The Sunday Telegraph, referring to Prince Andrew’s contention that he had taken one of his daughters to a pizza restaurant on the night in 2001 that Ms. Giuffre said they danced, drank and had sex.

    The Sunday Times and other news outlets reported that Jason Stein resigned two weeks ago as the prince’s public relations adviser because he believed that the duke’s decision to agree to the BBC interview “could backfire.”

    Public relations experts expressed bafflement at the decision of Prince Andrew, the second son of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, to prostrate himself before television cameras when his answers to the accusations Ms. Giuffre made in a legal filing and in countless newspaper interviews were so unconvincing.

    In August, as other accusers stepped forward, she said of the prince, “He knows exactly what he’s done, and I hope he comes clean about it.”

    In his interview, the duke cast doubt on several accusations. For example, in explaining the photograph that appeared to show him with Ms. Giuffre, he stopped short of saying the picture had been doctored, as some of his friends have suggested. But he said that he never dresses casually when in London, that he avoids public displays of affection with strangers and that he could not have been at the place the photograph was taken.

    “The photograph was taken upstairs,” Prince Andrew said, “and I don’t believe I ever went upstairs.”

    Perhaps even more damaging was his explanation about why he stayed with Mr. Epstein at his Manhattan mansion in 2010, after his host was released from prison. It was “convenient,” the prince said, though he insisted that he had made the visit solely to break off their relationship.

    As for a photograph of Prince Andrew, now 59, walking with Mr. Epstein in Central Park that was published in The Daily Mail in August, renewing questions about the propriety of their association, the duke said with a wan smile: “That’s the bit that, as it were, I kick myself for on a daily basis because it was not something that was becoming of a member of the royal family.”

    “We try and uphold the highest standards and practices,” he added, “and I let the side down, as simple as that.”

    Even after all the lurid details of Mr. Epstein’s trafficking in underage girls emerged in court, Prince Andrew refused to say in the BBC interview that he regretted being friends with Mr. Epstein, who killed himself in his Manhattan jail cell in August.

    The prince said that Mr. Epstein had introduced him to an array of interesting people, broadening his horizons after serving in the Royal Navy and benefiting his work as a trade envoy for Britain.

    Prince Andrew is not the only prominent figure called to be embarrassed by his association with Mr. Epstein. Bill Gates, the billionaire Microsoft co-founder, recently said he regretted having met with him on a few occasions.

    But the duke’s relationship with Mr. Epstein was far more extensive: He visited Mr. Epstein at his homes in Manhattan and Palm Beach, Fla., as well as his private island in the Caribbean. Prince Andrew said he had also invited Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell to parties at Windsor Castle and Sandringham, another royal estate.

    The Duke of York said he did not notice anything untoward on any of those visits and theorized that Mr. Epstein and his staff had behaved differently when the prince was around. He even said he did not know Mr. Epstein that well, having met him through his friendship with Ms. Maxwell, a British socialite.

    Prince Andrew acknowledged that Ms. Giuffre’s accusations had taken a toll on his family, overshadowed his charity work and cast a legal shadow over him. Even as she and others have called on him to repeat his denials in court, he said he would have to consult lawyers before doing so under oath.

    But if his goal in going before the cameras was to put an unpleasant episode behind him, Prince Andrew perhaps could have learned from the experiences of his older brother, Prince Charles, and his late sister-in-law, Princess Diana.

    Charles, the Prince of Wales, cooperated with a wide-ranging interview with the journalist Jonathan Dimbleby in 1994 that was dominated by his confession that he had been unfaithful to his wife. A year later, Diana famously told another interviewer, Martin Bashir, that “there were three of us in this marriage,” referring to Prince Charles and Camilla Parker-Bowles, who later became his wife.

    Last month, Prince Harry and his wife, Meghan, also opened up to the TV interviewer Tom Bradby. She said she was struggling with being a royal and a new mother. And Prince Harry kindled rumors of a rift in the royal family by saying that he and his brother, Prince William, were on “different paths at the moment.”

    He added, “I will always be there for him as I know he will always be there for me.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/17/world/europe/prince-andrew-epstein.html
     
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  2. I think he made a mistake doing this interview. makes me think he's not that smart
     
  3. The fact that he has been friends with Epstein’s procurer of vulnerable young women for sex work - Ghislaine Maxwell - since his university days is enough for me. As if he didn’t know what she was about.
     
  4. The Daily Mail is going to be busy for awhile. They are letting him have it with both barrels. Maybe Meghan should send him a bouquet for distracting them for her! :lol:

    I only posted a couple of the photos of him with women. There are several more in the article.

    Prince 'I-didn’t-party-or-do-PDAs' Andrew is pictured doing plenty of both at wild parties on the French Riviera in 2007 (and he looks a wee bit sweaty too)
    • Newly-revealed video shows Prince Andrew enjoying raucous parties on the French Riviera in the late 2000s
    • The footage, along with several photos, sees the Prince enjoying the attention of a string of beautiful women
    • It comes after Andrew gave 'car crash' BBC interview where he defended relationship with Jeffrey Epstein
    • Prince Andrew claimed he didn't indulge in public affection and a medical condition left him unable to sweat
    • However, the photos and video shows Andrew embracing several women and looking sweaty and dishevelled
    Never-before-seen video footage showing a sweaty Prince Andrew being openly affectionate with a bevy of young women while partying in the late 2000s has been unearthed - just hours after his 'car crash' interview with the BBC.

    The Prince insisted in his sit-down with Emily Maitlis that he did not sweat or indulge in public displays of affection with women while defending himself against claims he slept with Jeffrey Epstein's sex slave Virginia Roberts.

    He seemed to cast doubts on the authenticity of a photo which shows him with his arm around Miss Roberts' waist.

    However, the newly-discovered footage, published exclusively by the MailOnline, shows Andrew looking dishevelled and sweaty as he wanders around several raucous parties on the French Riviera.

    Photos also show him embracing a string of beautiful women publicly, appearing not to care about the cameras tracking his every move.

    Filmed during the Prince's 'mid-life crisis' period, the footage appears to show the Duke of York living up to his controversial 'Randy Andy' nickname.

    In one clip from July 2008 – just weeks after his disgraced friend Epstein admitted trafficking an underage girl - Andrew, now 59, is seen leaving a party with a troupe of beautiful women.
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    That night he was also filmed chatting with Polish-born socialite Beata Bohman – who went on to make headlines when she was arrested for shoplifting an $11,000 fur-lined scarf in New York.

    In another infamous set of pictures taken on the French Riviera in July 2007, the Prince looks wild-eyed as he parties with American socialite Chris Von Aspen.

    The blonde interior designer can be seen licking Andrew as the pair cavorted together.

    More clips from 2008 show him wandering around a party thrown by wine tycoon Claude Ott, heading to the dance floor with two women as techno music plays out.

    The Prince appears to look worse for wear as he enjoys the party, hair dishevelled and shirt untucked.

    A photographer captured a snap of him dancing at close quarters at the party with a woman named at the time as Libyan model Nadia Boejna.

    The previous summer Andrew was pictured cozying up to Canadian model Pascale Bourbeau at a bash he attended alongside his eldest daughter Princess Beatrice.

    He appears to put his hand on Pascale's rear as they stand close together at the home of billionaire fire extinguisher magnate Tony Murray.

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    At one point, Andrew was pictured tensely looking at his mobile phone alongside a bald man who was described by onlookers as his 'fixer'.

    Later, he headed to a marina at Murray's mansion and got on a boat accompanied by 'five or six women' while Beatrice, now 31, left separately, according to a witness.

    A former Saint-Tropez reveler revealed: 'These were really crazy years for Andrew.

    'He was clearly having a full-blown midlife crisis. He would have been 47 or 48 at the time, divorced from Sarah Ferguson, and basking in the attention he got from young women.

    'These were private parties held at mansions so I guess he felt he could let his guard down.

    'Things can get quite loose in Saint-Tropez. There were lots of beautiful young women looking for rich men.

    'People would often go off to the toilets to do drugs or for oral sex.

    'That was the best time to party in Saint-Tropez. Social media hadn't really taken off and most people didn't have cameras on their phone yet so people could just go and have fun.

    'Lots of the girls gravitated towards Andrew – royalty has that effect on the kind of women who flock to Saint-Tropez.'

    Andrew's partying days have come under increased scrutiny recently due to his controversial relationship with Epstein, who killed himself aged 66 in a New York jail cell in August after being arrested on federal sex trafficking charges.

    Following Epstein's death, the Prince released a statement denying he ever saw or suspected any criminal behavior by the wealthy financier.

    However, he has faced a barrage of claims, including from Ms Roberts who accuse the Duke of York of sleeping with her while she was underage.

    The row was thrown further into the spotlight last night after Andrew's 'car crash' BBC interview.

    The 'no holds barred' interview saw the Prince quizzed on his relationship with Epstein - and he again denied ever having sex with the financier's 'sex slave' Ms Roberts.

    The Duke faced a flurry of questions about his links to the paedophile, who was found dead aged 66 earlier this year in a New York prison cell while being held on sex trafficking charges.

    Andrew maintained he does not recall meeting Ms Roberts and said he did not spend time with her at Tramp Nightclub in London on March 10, 2001, after which she claims the pair first had sex.

    He denied he slept with her on three separate occasions, saying the encounter in 2001 did not happen because he had taken his daughter Princess Beatrice to Pizza Express in Woking for a party, and they spent the rest of the day together.

    As part of his defence, he disputed claims that he was sweating on the night he partied with Ms Roberts.

    Andrew said: 'There's a slight problem with the sweating because I have a peculiar medical condition which is that I don't sweat or I didn't sweat at the time.

    'I didn't sweat at the time because I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenalin in the Falkland's War when I was shot at and it was almost impossible for me to sweat.

    'And it's only because I have done a number of things in the recent past that I am starting to be able to do that again. So I'm afraid to say that there's a medical condition that says that I didn't do it.'

    He added: 'I've no recollection of ever meeting her, I'm almost, in fact I'm convinced that I was never in Tramps with her.

    'There are a number of things that are wrong with that story, one of which is that I don't know where the bar is in Tramps.

    'I don't drink, I don't think I've ever bought a drink in Tramps whenever I was there.'

    The latest video and pictures have put Andrew under yet more scrutiny.

    Pictures from top model Heidi Klum's 2000 Halloween party show him hanging out with Epstein's alleged co-conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell.

    Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695233/Videos-Prince-Andrew-partying-nightclubs-beautiful-young-women-French-Riviera.html
     
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  5. he may have thought she was epstein's girlfriend but I'm sure in due time he found out more
     
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  6. he looks like quite the party boy. but he was single at the time and these women in the pics appear to be (probably) adults
     
  7. I think the Daily Mail used those photos to contradict Andrew's assertion in the interview that he didn't do PDAs or something to that effect.
     
  8. And....didn’t he admit to seeing her within the last few months....while she apparently has been missing or hiding or whatever.....it’s all disgusting.
     
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    oops....maybe he slipped when he said that.....reinforces my opinion that he's not that smart
     
  10. I agree, this wasn't a smart move at all.
     
  11. He's a disgusting, entitled, arrogant piece of work. Nothing he said rang of the truth EXCEPT that he never buys his own drinks. What a leech.

    Nowhere in this interview did he show an ounce of empathy for the victims of Epstein. I can imagine why..

    What made me laugh loudly at this creepy jerk is when he said he was "too honourable." Really?

    One look at the Politics subheading on his Wikipedia page will tell you all about the "honourable" Andrew and the dealings he's had with other "honourable" people and corporations.

    This is the Queen's favourite son? No wonder they're trying to smother this story.
     
  12. How stupid does he believe the British public? Poor man lost his ability to sweat while serving his country... yet there are multiple photos of His Royal Sweatyness. Are they all mis-dated or photoshopped with his miraculous post-recovery sweat?
     
  13. What I find the most interesting is how he addresses the only thing he admits to being a mistake, the fact that he not only saw Epstein but spent a few days at his place after he had already been condemned on sexual assault changes.

    Now, according to him he was going to cut off ties with the guy. He goes as far as admitting that doing so by being party to a celebratory diner hosted by Épstein and sleeping a few days in his premises was not the right thing. His excuse is that it was the honorable thing to do and he is too well educated in questions of honor that he did not think of his own sake when doing that.

    I actually understand where this is coming from. The best thing for his reputation would have been to cut ties off completely. Never speak of this guy. Speak dirty of Epstein. But this man has been his friend, he has been by his side. So he felt it was not honorable to just dismiss him like that, that courtesy required he would see him after he left prison. In his mind, he was being honorable and selfless, because he was doing something that had the potential to hurt his own reputation, something against his own interest.

    Now, it seems to have never occurred to him, not even now, that there is nothing honorable about friending a man who traffics with minor girls, who has created a hub for sexual abuse and despicable practices. Trenched inside his little world of entitlement, he doesn't seem to realize that spending time in the house of this man (already condemned!) is a mistake, not because it looks bad on him, but in a much deeper sense. Because it is immoral, wrong and repugnant. Because if he had indeed been innocent himself, he should have been repelled by it. He just doesn't see it.

    And that's all I need to know.
     
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  14. ^ brilliantly said. :tup:
     
  15. His excuse, I don’t remember.......bull pocky :mad:
     
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