my friends artsy was actually purchased after mine but in my opinion my tivoli looks brand spanking new...I dont know why I havent used it much........maybe I have many other bags that I use more often? Sometimes I look at the tivoli and its so pretty and new that I dont use it lol..( i know Im crazy). My friends artsy does have some watermarks on the handle......not much but enough to where I did notice but other then that it looks pretty good. Ive looked on ebay and Ive noticed theres about a couple hundred dollars difference in the resell value of the bag. My bf had pointed out to me just now when I told him I was posting on tpf to get some advice was that when I purchased the tivoli I bought it for about 1000 plus tax and when she bought her artsy she paid about 1400. He said so basically Im just saving myself on the tax and its not really a good deal in his opinion and that I should maybe look around for a pre loved artsy and save up for it and keep the tivoli............do u think he has a point?