Ok I need help deciding between a quilted Venetia or a Stam. I had a Gucci Pelham which I had to return because the stitching was coming undone. So now I have a credit on my Neimans card that I need to use I like the beige color...sorry I don't know what it's called. Did anyone have problems with the handles getting really dirty on Veneita? How do you clean it??