yeah, unfortantely the newer leathers are shiny and glossy. That's why I lean towards older bbags. I had and sold some '06 bags because the leather was a lot thinner, glossier, and almost had a slippery feel when you lightly grazed it with your fingers. I liked it at first, but as soon as I got my hand on my 05 magenta! BAM! It was love at first touch! Magenta a calcaire were from the same season, so yeah don't expect too much gloss there. If that's what you're looking for, then you might want to look for 06 and newer bags