i have yet to one either one of them... but hopefully i will...! it's just that IMO the Popincourt Haut looks better with the new vanchetta....as in, no patina at all... whereas the Batignolles Vertical looks great in both.. and would continue to look beautiful for many years to come... Anybody agree with me? would that make the BV a better buy? especially with the price decrease? but the PH is so pretty and definitely a dressier bag... TIA girls..!