I just got a new oak Bayswater from the Mulberry store in California and have been comparing it to the black one I bought on eBay last fall. The seller of the black one said she got it at the Shepton Mallet outlet. Just wanted to pass on observations as I would have welcomed same a few days ago when I was bidding (unsuccessfully) on an oak BW and ultimately decided to buy new. Both have identical hardware, size, weight, tags (Made in England) locks and keys. When I bought the oak the other day I specifically asked for one MiE. The NY store said some were from Turkey, some from England. California said they're all from England. The oak is a tiny bit more butterscotch-orange than I expected. On first unpacking it I had the impression it is just a tiny bit lighter in weight than the black. The leather seems more matte, more refined, a little less meaty than the black. When I had called up the SA to order it she asked if I wanted one with a lot of grain or less grain. I chose a lot of grain and then was a little apprehensive but it is beautiful and if anything the grain is less apparent than the black. The leather seems just a bit more refined and less heavy than the black. I appreciated having the choice of more or less grain and certainly glad I got what I got. In summary, I would not be at all hesitant about buying a Bayswater on eBay that had come from the factory and -- this is just speculation -- am wondering if the older ones were a tiny bit more meaty/weighty than the new ones. On the other hand, I was tired of the eBay hassle. A nice new or slightly used Bayswater is now going for upwards of $500 and many are bid even higher. Even beat up they are fetching $400. I don't plan to buy another bag for a long time (yeah right) but in future I think I will probably just go for new. Scrimp elsewhere. Any other experiences like this? Comparsons? PS, some have commented on the pictures of Kate Moss carrying a black BW and we've all noted Scarlett with the Roxanne. Did you see Breaking and Entering? Robin Wright Penn carries an oak Bayswater. I can't claim not to have been smitten . . . .