IMHO I have both, actually 2 of Neverfull, I just think they are beater bags. The Saleya quality is much better plus you can zip it up! The Neverfull Ebene I had problems with the shoulder straps and just got it back last night from LV...excellent repair service! I also had problems with my Mono NF the shoulder straps just don't hold up.I agree the Saleya is hard to keep on my shoulder but anyone can stick their hand in your NF it just not as secure and their is a trick to making it smaller! I've LV sense the 80's and when Mark Jacobs took over the quality seemed to go down the straps are thin and cheap the leather used to be thick and finished not the finish wears off as it did on my NF Mono. I have started buying more Prada for Quality and some asked about CAR SHOE is a division of Prada, and they are Wonderful handbags and very well made, Nordstrom is carrying them here in California.