It looks like negative experiences are inevitable at the big clinics, since they have so many different doctors with different level of skills (some good, some bad). Would it be possible to update the master list on this thread to include the Doctor's names moving fwd? Doctors also move around to work at different clinics a lot, so it's more important to actually attach the review to the surgeon and not the clinic as a whole.
Negative Clinic Experiences
- Thread starter Phreakcodex
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I want to know more about VIP too. As I went through every reply in this thread, I notice that a lot of people claimed that they have had some experience with VIP or they will post more about this place as the follow-up, but none has actually posted or has solid proof of review (pictures of the results, post-op review, etc). Some even claimed to know sources of bad reviews of this place, but didn't provide any source or any follow-up post despite a lot of people asking about it. What's up with that?
Even less..To put it in perspective, only about 100 of the 500 or so clinics in Gangnam are board certified. So if this matters to you, you should check
Hi chiaki207 - I noticed the exact same thing - before I had read your post here, I made a post today asking a similar question -
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ng-for-real-reviews-about-vip-dr-lee.1019155/
There seems to be no follow-up posts from these reviewers, which is making me feel suspicious and cautious.
I hope there will be more people that will come forward with real reviews about VIP & Dr. Lee, so that we can get a clear and accurate picture about this clinic.
I agree. I want to know too. I've been lurking purseforum for a while for more intel on VIP and people will make a post about going there and they never update. I don't I've ever even seen a closeup view of the underside of a regular patients nostrils after having surgery with them... they have some reviews on realself and I noticed one girls review disappeared (she was unhappy with her surgery).
I agree. I want to know too. I've been lurking purseforum for a while for more intel on VIP and people will make a post about going there and they never update. I don't I've ever even seen a closeup view of the underside of a regular patients nostrils after having surgery with them... they have some reviews on realself and I noticed one girls review disappeared (she was unhappy with her surgery).
It's weird that this list includes all big hospitals & clinics. Small clinics don't even have residing anesthesiologists are not included? I think this thread is made by someone who just wants to advertise small clinics..... always need to have an objective perspective in this forum.. so difficult...
When some of these posters make it known before their surgeries that they are getting their surgeries done in a certain clinic, such as VIP, and then say that they will keep us posted and updated after their surgeries, follow-up by making a two weeks post op post, but then suddenly disappear, well that makes me very suspicious and cautious.
e.g. Are they unhappy with their surgeries? Are they being silenced? Have they signed paperwork that they are not allowed to say anything bad about their doctor and clinic or risk getting sued? Are these reviewers and posts fake? ETC.
I can understand that people will get on with their lives, but why say you will update us on your surgery experiences and results on this forum or via RealSelf post-op and then suddenly disappear?
I feel that REAL reviews from REAL people who under-go plastic surgery know just how valuable follow-up updates and feedback is for those of us who are considering PS in Korea, and so they will also know and understand that many of us are eagerly waiting for their real reviews on specific clinics, as they probably felt the same way before they had their surgeries.
And so (IMO) to suddenly drop off from the face of the planet, so to speak, it makes me feel very uneasy and like I can't trust the majority of these Korean PS reviews on these online forums, which then makes it all the harder to find a good doctor and clinic.
Also, I recently watched a video on YouTube from an ex Korean PS beauty consultant/interpreter and she talks about “shadow” doctors at Korean plastic surgery clinics … it’s definitely something to be aware of –
"Reasons why a former interpreter at a Korean plastic surgery hospital don't do plastic surgery" -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?vvGdR3CfcFFo
Plastic surgery in Korea is a big business and seems to run similarly to a factory.
My philosophy is don’t be paranoid, but it’s a good idea to be smart and cautious … and to do your research and to not rely on just reading some positive (or even negative) reviews here, because who knows which ones are real and which ones are fake, and which ones are being written by promoters and/or by competitors trying to give their competition a bad rap.
Also, most patients are asleep during surgeries with anesthesia and can't see their doctor before, during or after their surgery - because many of the doctors who are going to perform your surgeries aren't in the surgery room before someone puts you to sleep (preferably and hopefully by an anesthesiologist) and then they aren't there when you wake up.
It seems to me to be such a HIT OR MISS kind of situation going to Korea, and reading posts on these forums has only made me more confused and feel like I'm on a WILD GOOSE CHASE.
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I agree with everything you said. I've been watching some clinics for a couple of years and have yet to see a positive review that I know can trust that isn't a promotional review. I want a regular person to give a review that hasn't had their flight or surgery paid for.
I think that the clinics such as ID are a no-go because of their shadow doctors, but supposedly the government has cracked down on the clinics that use shadow doctors so it's not as common anymore for them to switch doctors... you never know though... you ARE under anesthesia for the surgery.
BUT
In the US (where I'm from), there are plastics surgeons who teach their plastic surgery residents/students... Some of the premier surgery centers are universities, and I think they do shadow-doctoring, but we don't call it that here- the student is just "helping" the lead surgeon... sometimes they allow the resident to assist too much in the surgery; but it's like an unspoken thing here. In my situation (on my previous surgery), I wasn't botched, but I could most definitely tell where the resident was allowed to do the stitches. On another procedure, I was awake and I could see where the resident was assisting (the patient is like the teaching tool for the teacher and student)- again, not as horrible as what has happened in Korea frequently until the government got involved, but shadow-doctoring even happens in US (there are just barely any stories about it because the laws protect the doctors here and we sign so many waivers that release the doctor/facility from liability and from being sued/spoken about).
Before undergoing any surgery anywhere, I would look out for how how many residents/students are around, and I would ask questions in writing and at the consultation. I learned from my last experience dealing with residents poor stitching and one horrible time a resident injected lidocaine too close to my eyes and I could barely open my eyelids. I would request to have the residents as viewers only, very little hands on because 1. the price we pay if for a doctor with 10-20 YEARS experience, not a resident who barely knows what they're doing, and 2. the patients are not guinea pigs unless the patients agrees to that (hopefully receiving surgery for free and not paying a premium price.
That being said, I'm consulting with Dr. Lee at VIP on my Korea trip.
Thanks for your very insightful post. I didn't know shadow doctors also existed in the U.S.
If you're willing to, please share your consultation experience in Korea, and whether or not you decide to have your surgery done with VIP and why.
When do you plan to go to Korea for your VIP consultation?
I think shadow-doctors exist everywhere plastic surgery is done unfortunately, there's no way to regulate that. The consultation depends on the clinic schedule. I've seen people schedule consults overseas and then wimp out at the last minute (I don't blame them lol). I'll make a separate post if I go with VIP
Hi guys! I’m just now learning about all these blacklisted clinics and getting so nervous because I am planning to travel to Korea in October for PS (rhinoplasty, non-incisional double eyelid surgery, and maybe some non-surgical treatments for dark under eye circles and hair loss).
Originally I had chosen Cinderella but saw their name is on this list.. May I ask why? I was also recommended GNG and Nana.. What are your opinions on these hospitals? Any recommendations on good reputable clinics out there? I really want to know an insiders knowledge before choose which clinic lol... T.T
Any advice/info helps!
Thank you
Originally I had chosen Cinderella but saw their name is on this list.. May I ask why? I was also recommended GNG and Nana.. What are your opinions on these hospitals? Any recommendations on good reputable clinics out there? I really want to know an insiders knowledge before choose which clinic lol... T.T
Any advice/info helps!
Thank you