NANA, POP, Item Consultation & Quarantine Tips

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Hey guys,

I reached out online to NANA, POP, Item, Wannabe, Marble, Opera, Mine, The Plus, Cocoline, and Dr. Jin regarding DES, rhinoplasty, and BA, and ultimately decided on consulting NANA, POP, and Item for F2F consultation. Details of the F2Fconsultation are on the bottom of this super lengthy post, so scroll down if that's all you're interested in. I also wanted to share some tips about the whole consulting and quarantine process. I'm someone who prefers outlining a plan and knowing what to fully expect in new situations, so I hope that the information I've gathered from my own experience (emphasis on this being my own experience, you may have heard/read/felt differently) may address any concerns you have. FYI I'm from the USA.

BEFORE GOING TO KOREA

Tips when consulting:

  1. Make a Google Voice account to get a second phone #
  2. Register for Kakao talk using your second phone #
  3. Reach out to clinics, using a fake name & DOB, and send pictures of your before and your desired look (either pictures of other people or photoshop your pictures into what you want if possible) asking what they recommend to achieve that look
    1. Note what procedures they recommend, ask specific questions and concerns, etc.
  4. Ask for a quote and ask about the VAT refund
  5. Confirm if the quote is negotiable in F2F, keep this quote on hand to compare to the price they give you in person

Phone App Preparation:
  1. Download Korean Self-check health app: http://ncov.mohw.go.kr/selfcheck/
    1. There are 2 apps you'll be asked to download at the airport, but for one of them, you need a health officer to verify it. I prefer getting as much as possible out of the way, hence why I downloaded the one that didn't need verification while in the USA.
    2. Register using Google Voice (For some reason, using my own personal number wouldn't received the verification text. It worked when I used Google Voice)
  2. Create a Naver account (you'll need to verify it with a phone number. If you try to use a Google voice # while in Korea, although you'll receive the text, it will recognize that your IP address doesn't match the "country" your Google Voice is from. So either make your Naver account at home, or make it after you get your SIM card and get a Korean phone # while in Korea)
  3. Download NaverMap and KakaoMetro (these are amazing to navigate transportation. You can technically use NaverMap without an account, but if you have an account you can "Favorite" places which makes it convenient because you must search for addresses in Korean which can be annoying to type every time you close the app)

Surgery-Related things to pack:
Nose/glasses hook
Face wipes/micellar water
Face scrub + moisturizer
Towel
Dry shampoo
Body wipes
Derma/scar ointment
Probiotics (promotes digestion)
Bromelain pills (for swelling & bruising)
Fish collagen powder (promotes healing)
Vitamin C (promotes healing)
Q-tips
SIM card (Purchase online for pick-up or delivery)
Camera/recorder (to record everything & conversations)
Wet proof bandages
Portable charger
Electric adaptor & converter
Antibacterial wet wipes (wipe the airplane seats, they're filthy)
Lip balm (for rhino)
Plastic straws (for rhino, makes it easy to drink)
Protein bars, nutrition bars
House slippers
Light bath robe (you can't do laundry during quarantine, I just wore a robe)

Things to prepare:
  1. Print out papers that have your desired clinics address & hotel’s address in Korean (if you know where you want to stay at this point in time)
    1. Taxi drivers often cannot speak/read English, just have it printed in Korean to make your life easier if you plan to use taxi. I printed it in case but used the bus
  2. Print out your packet of clinic information and a space to jot down notes during F2F
  3. Print out a paper with your passport #, flight #, Korean contact #, and address you’ll be staying at in Korea (note #5)
    1. You will need all this information to fill out many forms
  4. Bring a pen in your fanny-pack so you can fill out the forms (I was given the forms while on my flight - I flew with Korean Air)
  5. Book your AirBNB in advanced (at the airport, they will ask where you are staying) and ask the AirBNB host if you can get the address in advance (AirBNB doesn’t release the real address until a few days before your reservation) and print your AirBNB confirmation receipt (there is an option to print this for “visa reasons” on the AirBNB site)
    1. Alternatively use the address of the clinic or your Korean contact when writing down your Korean address on the quarantine forms
  6. Order a SIM card for pick-up at the airport (some quarantine facilities do not allow any deliveries)
    1. If you plan to survive off WiFi (my AirBNB offered a portable WiFi device, and the quarantine facility had a steady and fast WiFi connection that handled Zoom meetings well) then I strongly suggest making a Google Voice # which can make phone calls & text people through WiFi connection
    2. I planned on surviving in Korea w/ just WiFi, but I wanted things shipped to me and the best website that accepts US cards required a Korean # so I ended up ordering one from https://www.trazy.com/experience/detail/4g-lte-sim-card-parcel-shipment to get delivered the next day. They had no 2 week option, but $36.5 for 30 days is not a deal-breaker. I asked my AirBNB host on what’s the best address for delivery - Trazy will need your Korean contact’s phone number because the delivery people text that # to tell you the package arrived and cannot use any non-Korean #’s (including Google Voice). Delivery time arrived the next day ($36.5 total).

FINANCES:

Surgery Finances Option 1:

  1. Bring up to $9,500 USD (the NEWEST $100 bills) in an envelope, tucked in a fanny pack (that can fit under your shirt) to the airport
    1. Otherwise, you must report to customs if traveling with greater than +$10,000
    2. I would first see whether your clinic even gives a discount using cash because some do not discriminate between cash or card. You don’t want to bother exchanging the USD and then not using it! Determine how much you must convert, save the leftover to keep as USD if possible. You don’t really need cash for anything else besides T-card, or if you plan on traveling to country-side places, but most of the cities will accept credit cards.
    3. Go to Myeongdong and visit several exchange centers to determine the best rate
      1. FYI: 1 USD = 1,128.45 KRW (Current exchange rate when I was there in October 2020)
      2. I went to the exchange center at 26 Myeongdong 2-gil, Chungmuro 1(il)-ga, Jung-gu, Seoul, South Korea
        1. If you bring the newest $100 you get a near full exchange rate ($1 = 1,128 KRW). They accept other bills, but it’s a “lower price” in return for those. They don’t speak English but they type into the calculator the exchange rate.
          1. I had $2,000 in the newest $100 bills and $2,000 in the newest $50 bills, and then $100 in an old bill. In total I had $4,100 USD cash I wanted to exchange.
            1. The currency rate at the time was 1128.45 KRW for $1 USD
              1. A full exchange rate would have made $4,100 into 4,626,645.00 KRW. I got back 4,608,000 in using older bills or $50 bills meaning I lost 18,645 KRW = $16.502 USD total.
                1. Up to you to decide if this is an inconvenience to do. Keep in mind banks aren’t open on weekends, I’m not sure what the exact exchange rate is, but also Myeongdong is a shopping center, so I bought some gifts after exchanging! Don't forget to give your passport to the places you go shopping in if you spend above 30,000 KRW (you get a tax refund receipt where you can get back your $ at Incheon airport)

Surgery Finances Option 2:
  1. Sign-up and get a credit card from a company that has 0% foreign transaction fees with amazing travel benefits
    1. Chase Sapphire Reserve Card - FYI they also have "Priority Pass" card, make sure you get the physical card, which is separate from the credit card, before you leave because it allows you to enter the Incheon Lounges and chill there
    2. Charles Schwab
  2. Contact your credit card company a few days before your departure to let them know of your intended travel dates and estimated range of travel fees (important, so they do not block your account from suspicious activity!)
    1. I just did it online through my account to put a travel notice, and that worked fine
    2. You shouldn’t worry about charging such a large amount on your card - so long as you have the credit and a travel notice, the transaction will go through
  3. FYI: Bank of America has a pretty bad exchange rate.
    1. Ex: sending $450 cost me $21.76 extra (my deposit to one of the hospitals)

Transportation Finances:
  1. Withdraw/exchange $50 USD to ~ 50,000 KRW either at your bank or the airport
  2. At the nearest station or convenience store, buy a T-money card (you can purchase the physical card with a credit card but that card has $0 on it, and you must load it using CASH). You can do this at the same convenience store you bought it in usually. T-money card is what you will use to ride buses, subways, some taxis accept it, and you can even pay for some convenience store purchases on it. You can reload at the kiosks in the subway.
    1. FYI: Don’t forget that in Korea, you board buses using the front door only and exit using the middle door only, and you tap your card 2x (1st when you board and 2nd when you exit on your stop)

AT THE DEPARTING AIRPORT
  1. I recommend just grabbing 2-3 beverages before boarding because it’ll be a long time before you get into the facility
    1. Don't forget your sanitizing wipes to wipe down the airplane seats! Mine were filthy.

WHEN IN KOREA
From Flight Landing to Quarantine Facility (~4-5 hours):

  1. Try to pee on the airplane before you land. I never saw an opportunity to stop by a bathroom in the airport (which I’m sure they will allow you to do) but I didn’t want to potentially miss anything.
  2. Your flight will land. You will exit the flight and follow the signs and people throughout the airport.
  3. You will enter a line to fill out forms and at each station, hand in one of the forms (just give them the stack + your passport and they will take what they need and hand back to you what they do not need (I did not order a SIM card for pick-up at the airport but just tell someone, and I’m sure they can direct you to the right place)
    1. First station is Health Declaration Form
    2. Second station is them calling your Korean contact
    3. Third station is getting your address → I was sent off to the immigration office to the side to get my picture and fingerprints taken
      1. They will understand if you do not have an specific address location b/c of AirBNB not releasing that information until closer to your reservation date but it is more convenient to either ask your host for that info or just write down the clinic’s address
    4. Next station is downloading the apps (you must select “GPS - always on” because they must be able to track your location all the time)
      1. Officer permission is required to download one of the apps (this app will be uninstalled later when you arrive at your quarantine facility. Do not uninstall ahead of time, the facility officer will be entering a code to uninstall it.)
    5. Pick up your checked-in luggage if you have any
    6. Exit the luggage pick-up section and there will be a small stand with police officers. You will be escorted to the right side if you are going to the quarantine facility.
    7. Wait for about 30 minutes - 1 hour (you can buy food at the 7-Eleven right next to you if you ask a police officer who is patrolling your wait area).
    8. You will be escorted outside (the 7-eleven is right next to the street, can think of it as the “end point” for at least the airport part)
    9. You will be brought to a bus, load your luggage, and then enter the bus that will take all of you to the quarantine facility (~ 1 hour)
  4. At the quarantine facility, you will put your luggage off to the side at their request
  5. You will take a seat at a desk (classroom-like setting) and begin filling out the forms (have your passport ready, they will check it)
  6. Someone will come by and give you both a mouth and nasal CoVID test (it will be very rough but fast)
  7. Someone will come by and uninstall one of the quarantine apps
  8. Once you are finished with filling the papers, you will be asked to go the front desk and pay (credit card, cash (USD or KRW) is accepted)
  9. Make sure to ask them for the Wifi password for your room before heading up to your room with the luggage and the # to dial to reach the front desk
    1. Each quarantine facility has their own rules and own food supplier.
    2. My experience:
      1. Trash is picked up every day before 11:00 AM. One info packet I received said to double-bag it, the other inside the room did not - just do single-bag or else you will run out. I took out the trash every 2 days.
      2. NO deliveries were accepted at my facility. I've heard differently for others - seems like it's up to the policy of wherever you end up.
      3. 2x ****ty slippers are provided that will break probably within 3 days, hence why I was thankful I brought my own slippers
      4. Basic necessities like toothbrush, toothpaste, comb, shower cap, and soap will be provided.
      5. Large bottles of water (6x of 2L bottles) will be provided.
        1. I saw them deliver 2 L of bottles to the room next to me (they put it in a basket next to your door) so you can ask for extra water if you need
      6. 2 toilet paper rolls are in the bathroom already and 1x spare is provided
      7. One liquid (usually 1x of 500 mL water bottle) is provided with every meal.
      8. 3 meals will be delivered by dropping them into bins right next to the door at these times:
        1. 8:00 AM
        2. 12:00 PM
        3. 5:00 PM
      9. Always pick up your meal within the hour of delivery. If you don’t, they somehow know and call you constantly.
      10. Meals always have 1 carb, 1 protein, and side dishes. Always cold. You can heat up with a hair-dryer if you want. Mine had a lot of seafood.
      11. Thermometer and mask will be provided - must self-check everyday in the health self-check app once a day.
      12. Wifi was very good/strong - handled Zoom perfectly
      13. Water boiler was provided
      14. Fridge was available, no microwave
      15. TV was in the room (I didn’t use - I don’t know if it works)
      16. Outlets in Korea are all 220V - bring a converter and also only charge things through your laptop or else you’ll fry your device (FYI: USA outlets are 120 V outlets)
      17. Towels are provided but I found a hair in one (I brought my own towel anyways)
      18. No laundry possible
      19. Announcements made multiple times throughout the day starting at 8:00 AM with the breakfast announcement and ending with the dinner announcement. Announcements will be about how you cannot leave the room, must open the window 3x a day to allow ventilation, smoking is prohibited, self-check app, or do not order delivery because you will never receive them
      20. Make sure to “move your phone” around from time to time - my phone did not move for several hours during day-time and it sent a report to the facility officer. Nothing happened, but I assume if this happens multiple times they might think something is wrong and try to come to the room?

When in Quarantine:
  1. No medication 1 WEEK before your anticipated surgery date (unless prescribed, then speak to your doctor. Anticoagulants are a problem)
  2. Create a KKT ID with your real phone number, contact clinics and begin booking a F2F consultation time (~3 hours between each to account for travel)
  3. Book an AirBNB/hotel in the general area of all your clinics if you haven’t already
    1. Popular places/clinics:
      1. Apgujeong Station
      2. Sinsa Station
      3. Anguk Station
    2. I did a place around Yeoksam-dong il and I’m super glad I did. It was close to a lot of cute restaurants, the buses and subways, and also some clinics I was interested in and if I had the time probably would have stopped by to consult with (View, Nana, Pretty Line)
  4. Make sure you download NAVERMap & Kakao Metro Map app for transportation if you haven't already. At this point, I just started saving and searching for clinic locations from my AirBNB just so I knew generally how to get there.
    • I recommend during this time to thoroughly look at your AirBNB reservation and notice some landmarks (what does the picture of the building look like in the instructions your host provided? What are some nearby restaurants that are easy to recognize? Do a Google Earth Map view and scroll around to get a sense of where exactly your AirBNB is. Your driver won’t know what building you’re trying to go to, just the address so it’s up to you to make sure you’re dropped off at the right spot and not rolling your heavy-ass luggage around lost)
    • I took pictures on my cellphone of all the familiar landmarks.
    • I especially recommend taking a picture of the WiFi network and password of my AirBNB so if I had trouble getting in, I could connect to the WiFi and just message my host via AirBNB because at the time I didn't have a SIM card (which happened so I was glad I did this!)

Exiting Quarantine:
  1. 3-4 days before you leave, you will be given a form to fill out with your passport #, your phone # or a # they can reach you by (Korean contact), which district you’ll be in (ex: Seoul, Busan), and you will check off what time you want to leave (2 options) and what type of transportation you will take (2 options)
  2. I arrived physically inside the facility on 10/8/20 around 9:00 PM. The time and date options I was allowed to leave was 10/22 at 12:00 AM (meaning as soon as it turned midnight) or 10/22 at 7:00 AM
  3. The 2 options of transportation were public transport (ex: Seoul bus) or a private car (NO taxis)
    1. Because I booked my surgery with one of the hospitals and did a downpayment, they booked me a taxi to pick me up directly from the quarantine facility to my AirBNB
    2. I’ve heard some people leaving at noon and staying 15 days, but for me it was 14 days - being able to leave exactly on the 14th day as soon as it turned midnight
      1. Keep that in mind when booking your AirBNB because most won’t allow check-in before 3:00 PM so you have to book it for a day before you can leave quarantine (meaning yes, you lose money to one night)
  4. With the last meal before your facility leave, they will give you instructions on how to exit the facility
  5. When it is around the time you can leave (I left the room at 6:50 AM but the elevator took long and was packed) you hand in your room key and show them your passport
    1. The driver that one of the hospitals I deposited with was standing outside with my name on a piece of paper (it is already paid for by the hospital)
  6. As soon as you enter the AirBNB take a picture and video of EVERYTHING before you touch anything (for your own protection - this is just my habit). Same with when you leave, take a picture of everything.

Ordering Food/Grocery Delivery:
  1. MOST Korean apps require a Korean phone # or a Korean credit card # that they can verify (so I ordered one as soon as I realized this using the Trazy link above in the “Things to prepare” section) including grocery delivery
  2. If you don’t feel comfortable going outside, you can survive that one day without a Korean phone # using the Food App, Shuttle
    1. No Korean phone # is needed, only Kakao ID (this is how they will contact you)
    2. Everything is in English on the App, but there’s limited food selections
  3. Once you get the Korean phone #, you can use Yogiyo
    1. Guide for navigating Yogiyo:
      1. Here’s another guide: https://www.ivisitkorea.com/how-to-order-food-delivery-in-korea/
  4. For ordering groceries, I used https://gsigninssl.gmarket.co.kr/LogIn/LogIn?URL=http://gmyg.gmarket.co.kr
    1. This website accepts accepts American cards
    2. Make sure to ask your AirBNB host for the exact address you can use for deliveries

Tips when F2F:
  1. Bring many pictures of your desired look (your surgeon will get a better idea through pictures and words rather than through words alone)
  2. Bring many pictures or material of what you do NOT want (it’s also helpful for the surgeon to understand what you don’t want to get a better idea of what overall aesthetic you’re going for)
    1. There are certain words a surgeon is familiar with (Ex: droopy tip, long nose) so try to find out what's the best words to describe your situation
    2. Keep in mind that surgery specific questions or medical questions like (can I mix X and Y medications) are suited for your surgeon. Questions like "when can I exercise, when can I shower, when can I wear makeup etc." go to your consultant
  3. Take note of what prices and procedures in your printed out packet of what they say and compare the prices to what you got when doing your online consultation under your alias (if you get a better price from the online consultation, show those receipts!)
    1. LEVERAGE cheap prices against one another
  4. With the consultant, FIRST ask for availability
    1. See how available they are and how many open spots they have
      1. If they have several open spots, you CAN bargain with them because they would much rather fill in their empty slots with a cheaper price than nothing!
  5. Shoot for >8% VAT refund when consulting clinics; otherwise it’s not worth it (It is technically 10% but there is a 2% processing fee; net is 8%. You will be given back 8% in Korean won which you then do a currency exchange back to USD and therefore lose a bit of further money. So if a clinic gives you a price saying this is without the tax refund, and you ask for the certificate but they tell you that they will need to then increase your price by 10% in order to account for the tax, that is full of ****. You do NOT request the tax refund receipt b/c otherwise you’d be ultimately paying more. So the best deal is if they give you a discount and the refund certificate without increasing the price “to account for tax” ******** reason).
  6. Use your strengths (cash, writing a review, taking pictures, recommending to large cohorts if in a big kakao group)
  7. When negotiating, it is better to frame the question as “how can I get this price or what can I do to get this price” so they are in a mindset of working with you to get what you need without it feeling like just demanding something.

NANA (Breast)
  • English Consultants: Kylie & Lana
  • Consultant Rating: 7/10
    • Front desk is on the 3rd floor
    • My first consultation was with Kylie. She's nice, and I heard great things about her, but the consultation itself was dry and unspectacular. She seemed very tired, which makes sense because she handles a lot and NANA has actually been busy with CoVID. But overall it was kind of hard to reach her, and I felt kind of unwelcomed. FYI NANA is expanding rapidly, so it's becoming quite a big hospital. I've read reviews when it was smaller where people felt like it was very attentive to them, but I felt like it just took my money and gave me the bare minimum.
    • Lana is a new hire, she's fantastic, and super friendly. Overall though, it was hard to get in touch with NANA via Kakao and to get a fast response, but my in person experience with Lana was great.
  • Surgeon Rating (Dr. Hwang): 9/10
    • I was NOT given implants to try or test the feel of maybe because I already knew I wanted Bellagel (better for a wide chest, more research on it done), but I was not offered different sizes to test and rather just told 350 ccs is recommended. This was my first consultation, and I was nervous and unsure of what happens when and where, but in hindsight I wish I pushed further about things I know you SHOULD be given an option to do
    • I was NOT asked about what look I wanted (during your 1 v 1 with Kylie before seeing the doctor she does ask general questions like fullness or naturalness but pics are obviously better) - at no point did they ask if I had pictures of what I’d like or things I don’t like, so I had to interject and say I have pictures I must show you. It was a lot of speaking to me rather than asking me what I wanted (except for when Kylie was filling out the chart, but again - you want to show the pics to the doctor and have the doctor hear from you what you want!)
    • Despite this, I LOVED Dr. Hwang. The way he comes off in the Youtube videos is exactly how he was in person - super friendly, explained everything in detail, very soft-spoken yet confident, and great eye-contact. He measured my chest with tape, made comments on what I noticed about my own features, and also felt the structure of my chest. I felt immensely confident in his abilities just from his mannerisms and conversation.
  • Overall Rating: 8/10
    • I LOVE Dr. Hwang. I'm a very particular person (if you haven't noticed by my annoying detailed post), but he just gave me such great vibes, and his resume is obviously impressive. I also really liked Lana who was a pleasure to be around. Despite her being new, she answered my questions as much as possible. I appreciate Kylie and her helpful tips, but she really seemed very tired and gave me "do not bother me" vibes. NANA was hard to communicate with via Kakao for me.

POP (Eyes, Nose, Breast)
  • English Consultant: Daisy
  • English Consultant Rating: 3/10
    • Confusing, but the person who handles their Kakao is NOT the English consultant in the clinic. This was annoying b/c when I arrived at the clinic at my appointment time arranged with Ryan (via Kakao), the front staff had no idea who I was and there seemed to be a lot of miscommunication.
    • Daisy was interesting - a lot of lies or maybe a language barrier. She was the English consultant, I'm assuming because she had the best English-speaking skills.
      • Red Flag 1: When I asked how many Americans came in, she said 10 a week. I asked because they have stellar reviews on Gangnam Unnie and Naver, but I found absolutely nothing in English. She also greeted me saying she's sorry, she hasn't used English in so long. Obviously, that's suspicious if she said that 10 Americans were coming in a week? She backtracked and then said no, she actually doesn't know how many Americans come in. Then she said they do come in, but for simple things like botox.
      • Red Flag 2: I asked if they had an anesthesiologist - she said yes. I asked if it was a nurse or a doctor, she said of course it's a doctor, it has to be a doctor. I thought that was great. But then when discussing pricing, she said they actually do not have an anesthesiologist, and I have to pay extra to bring one in. Lol. Everything was under sedation INCLUDING BA, and actually the surgeon administers the anesthesia ... yikes.
      • Red Flag 3: I got a quote from Ryan that was a really generous discount. I confirmed this quote with two consultants including Daisy. Then when talking about pricing after meeting the surgeons, she changed the price and raised it, backtracking and saying no, they never offered that price. Then I showed her my chat with Ryan confirming this price. Then she said OK but the lowest she can go is XXXX because she's giving me a discount on other procedures.
  • Media Consultant: Ryan J Park
  • Media Consultant Rating: 9/10
    • Ryan was great - he was fast at communicating, gave me the best deals, tried his best to accommodate me, and also checked in on me multiple times during quarantine. He was the person I was in communication with for the past several months. I was a little bothered that when I asked about one surgeon who I really wanted and whether he was still at the clinic, he avoided the question (I later learned the surgeon I wanted left and opened his own clinic), hence why the -1 point because I dislike lack of transparency and omittance of information in general.
  • Surgeon Rating (Dr. Lee - DES & Rhino): 8/10
    • The consultation was funny. Lee Bong is nice, he doesn’t have many reviews compared to the other doctors, but I found his rhinoplasty results to be better than Dr. Kim, the director of Pop. He’s young hence why I think he’s more inexperienced/has less reviews. Lee Bong didn’t know how to describe some of the words in English, and my Korean is limited, so he reverted to Google Translate. Daisy also didn’t know some of the words he was trying to describe in English, so it was us just watching the screen as Google translate spit out the English words which was pretty amusing, and I didn’t mind that. He suggested techniques that I liked because it emphasized a more natural result (natural adhesion, no implant because my height was enough, just tiplasty), and I felt like he understood what I was going for. He's VERY new to POP though, so I wasn't completely confident in his fresh track history.
  • Surgeon Rating (Dr. Kim - Breast): 2/10
    • Pop ONLY does Bellagel. They also do transaxillary, submuscular. Dr. Kim looked tired AF and stoic. No measurements, no assessment of my tissue, he literally just looked at my chest for less than a minute. Lol.
  • Overall Rating: 6/10
    • A lot of miscommunication (or lies?), and everything felt disorganized, and unprofessional (Starbucks trash everywhere? A lot of screaming and laughing from all the consultants that gave high-school vibes). I'm also super uncomfortable with the "sedation" only situation. Weirdly, Pop was POPULAR. It's actually more popular than NANA and Item based off the constant flow of girls I saw coming in, so obviously POP is doing great locally, although their market looks to be teens and early 20s. Their results look stellar as well, so I'm kind of disappointed how this went since I thought POP would be my hospital of choice. It's possible that all of this negative feeling was from a big language barrier, and I recognize I'm a super picky person, but this was a clear NO to me.
Item (Eyes, Nose)
  • English Consultant: Lisa & Joy (Lisa is no longer working there)
  • English Consultant Rating: 10/10
    • Front desk is on the 3rd floor.
    • I love Lisa and Joy. Both of them are really good at English, in fact I was incredibly impressed by Joy's English. She mentioned she worked as a flight attendant for 7 years, so you can have full confidence in her communicating on your behalf. She was also so fun to talk to, and made me feel incredibly welcomed. She's also highly responsive on the social media apps, very helpful, and very thorough. I know that Item doesn't have a lot of American patient inflow right now, so maybe that's why they can give you this type of attention, but it was thoroughly appreciated and made me feel like I was not just another wallet to them, but a person they cared about.
  • Surgeon Rating (Dr. Kim - DES & Rhino): 10/10
    • I heard Dr. Kim was unfriendly from a few reviews, so I came in with that expectation and was pleasantly surprised. He was actually super nice! You know that feeling of when you meet someone and just think, this will be a great conversation? I had that vibe with Dr. Kim. He patiently listened to me as I explained my concerns, then told me the details of his procedure and explained his techniques using a powerpoint and also a skull on his desk to describe why he chooses donor rib cartilage or why he'd suggest incisional. Although Lisa was in the room with us, I think Dr. Kim is fluent - he answered all my questions in English, and we never referred to Lisa to translate. Dr. Kim has 20 years of experience, and that showed as he picked up on the asymmetry of eyelid skin and nose bridge which were so slight that not even my own family noticed.
  • Overall: 10/10
    • I really have no complaints haha.

Final Choice: NANA (Breast), Item (Eyes & Nose)

Apologies for the massive text, but hope someone, somewhere found something useful in this post.
 
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Thank you for the detailed review! Try coupang eats! they deliver superrrr fast and you can track where your food is lol! Hope this helps! I did online consultation with marble and cocoline too! Why did you choose item, nana, pop for f2f consult? if you dont mind me asking.
 
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Thank you for the detailed review! Try coupang eats! they deliver superrrr fast and you can track where your food is lol! Hope this helps! I did online consultation with marble and cocoline too! Why did you choose item, nana, pop for f2f consult? if you dont mind me asking.
Oh wow - I didn't know about Coupang! Thank you for the tip!

Marble has fantastic BA results with Dr. Seo but their prices were so high (I got quoted 15 mil KRW for Motiva and 12 mil KRW for Bellagel). Cocoline only really excels in noses, and I wanted to do eyes, nose, and breast all in one clinic.

NANA for Dr. Hwang - his BA results are also amazing, and their prices seemed reasonable (they ran a CoVID special of 7.9-8.9 mil KRW for Bellagel). I had spoken to previous patients of NANA, and they all seemed extremely happy with their results, plus I liked their Youtube series because of how informative it was (now I know why we don't wear nail polish for surgery haha). They also have a super high rating and review # on Gangnam Unnie (9.5, +2200 reviews). NANA is extremely popular with locals on BA, too. I wasn't interested in their eyes and nose because their style didn't match what I was looking for.

POP has really beautiful eyes and rhino results on Gangnam Unnie with also a very high rating and review # (9.4, +2200 reviews). Most Korean clinics like a small-mid crease DES aesthetic (ex: Nana) but POP catered to a dolly, higher crease which is what I wanted (I wanted eyes like Pony, the makeup guru). Their noses also matched what I wanted as most Korean clinics prefer straight noses while I wanted a slightly upturned tip without it being TOO dolly. I didn't find anything on POP written in English, but they're truly crazy popular among locals (I can't even describe how many young and pretty girls were coming in for consultations while I was there). They also offered me a very good deal on Bellagel (4 mil KRW).

Item doesn't have as high a score on Gangnam Unnie (9.0, +1900 reviews), but keep in mind that a clinic is made of multiple doctors, and whoever is bringing the score down may not be your doctor of interest. I was in LOVE with Dr. Kim's work on Nara (one of his patients that he talked about on Youtube), and I've seen really excellent results on PF (honestly, there's very few if any "bad" reviews of Item on PF and the one I found, she didn't look that bad?). I also believe Item is better known locally for their rhinoplasty. Item actually has really good BA results (Dr. Shin) judging by Gangnam Unnie, but I was already set on Dr. Hwang after meeting him, and the prices for Bellagel were the same between NANA and Item. Overall, they seemed capable of doing a parallel crease, and their rhino results are exactly what I wanted (not too straight, but not too upturned, narrow and elegant look). Dr. Kim's work also looked consistent and clean.
 

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Oh wow - I didn't know about Coupang! Thank you for the tip!

Marble has fantastic BA results with Dr. Seo but their prices were so high (I got quoted 15 mil KRW for Motiva and 12 mil KRW for Bellagel). Cocoline only really excels in noses, and I wanted to do eyes, nose, and breast all in one clinic.

NANA for Dr. Hwang - his BA results are also amazing, and their prices seemed reasonable (they ran a CoVID special of 7.9-8.9 mil KRW for Bellagel). I had spoken to previous patients of NANA, and they all seemed extremely happy with their results, plus I liked their Youtube series because of how informative it was (now I know why we don't wear nail polish for surgery haha). They also have a super high rating and review # on Gangnam Unnie (9.5, +2200 reviews). NANA is extremely popular with locals on BA, too. I wasn't interested in their eyes and nose because their style didn't match what I was looking for.

POP has really beautiful eyes and rhino results on Gangnam Unnie with also a very high rating and review # (9.4, +2200 reviews). Most Korean clinics like a small-mid crease DES aesthetic (ex: Nana) but POP catered to a dolly, higher crease which is what I wanted (I wanted eyes like Pony, the makeup guru). Their noses also matched what I wanted as most Korean clinics prefer straight noses while I wanted a slightly upturned tip without it being TOO dolly. I didn't find anything on POP written in English, but they're truly crazy popular among locals (I can't even describe how many young and pretty girls were coming in for consultations while I was there). They also offered me a very good deal on Bellagel (4 mil KRW).

Item doesn't have as high a score on Gangnam Unnie (9.0, +1900 reviews), but keep in mind that a clinic is made of multiple doctors, and whoever is bringing the score down may not be your doctor of interest. I was in LOVE with Dr. Kim's work on Nara (one of his patients that he talked about on Youtube), and I've seen really excellent results on PF (honestly, there's very few if any "bad" reviews of Item on PF and the one I found, she didn't look that bad?). I also believe Item is better known locally for their rhinoplasty. Item actually has really good BA results (Dr. Shin) judging by Gangnam Unnie, but I was already set on Dr. Hwang after meeting him, and the prices for Bellagel were the same between NANA and Item. Overall, they seemed capable of doing a parallel crease, and their rhino results are exactly what I wanted (not too straight, but not too upturned, narrow and elegant look). Dr. Kim's work also looked consistent and clean.
What are your thoughts on rhinoplasty @Marble?
 
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Oh wow - I didn't know about Coupang! Thank you for the tip!

Marble has fantastic BA results with Dr. Seo but their prices were so high (I got quoted 15 mil KRW for Motiva and 12 mil KRW for Bellagel). Cocoline only really excels in noses, and I wanted to do eyes, nose, and breast all in one clinic.

NANA for Dr. Hwang - his BA results are also amazing, and their prices seemed reasonable (they ran a CoVID special of 7.9-8.9 mil KRW for Bellagel). I had spoken to previous patients of NANA, and they all seemed extremely happy with their results, plus I liked their Youtube series because of how informative it was (now I know why we don't wear nail polish for surgery haha). They also have a super high rating and review # on Gangnam Unnie (9.5, +2200 reviews). NANA is extremely popular with locals on BA, too. I wasn't interested in their eyes and nose because their style didn't match what I was looking for.

POP has really beautiful eyes and rhino results on Gangnam Unnie with also a very high rating and review # (9.4, +2200 reviews). Most Korean clinics like a small-mid crease DES aesthetic (ex: Nana) but POP catered to a dolly, higher crease which is what I wanted (I wanted eyes like Pony, the makeup guru). Their noses also matched what I wanted as most Korean clinics prefer straight noses while I wanted a slightly upturned tip without it being TOO dolly. I didn't find anything on POP written in English, but they're truly crazy popular among locals (I can't even describe how many young and pretty girls were coming in for consultations while I was there). They also offered me a very good deal on Bellagel (4 mil KRW).

Item doesn't have as high a score on Gangnam Unnie (9.0, +1900 reviews), but keep in mind that a clinic is made of multiple doctors, and whoever is bringing the score down may not be your doctor of interest. I was in LOVE with Dr. Kim's work on Nara (one of his patients that he talked about on Youtube), and I've seen really excellent results on PF (honestly, there's very few if any "bad" reviews of Item on PF and the one I found, she didn't look that bad?). I also believe Item is better known locally for their rhinoplasty. Item actually has really good BA results (Dr. Shin) judging by Gangnam Unnie, but I was already set on Dr. Hwang after meeting him, and the prices for Bellagel were the same between NANA and Item. Overall, they seemed capable of doing a parallel crease, and their rhino results are exactly what I wanted (not too straight, but not too upturned, narrow and elegant look). Dr. Kim's work also looked consistent and clean.
Where did he place your incisions for the BA? armpits or under your boobs?
 
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THANK YOU SO MUCH for your review. Would you recommend any of these clinics for fat grafting as well? Also, did you go alone on your trip? Thank you!
 
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Where did he place your incisions for the BA? armpits or under your boobs?
I liked Marble's results (Eyes, nose, and breast) and believed they would have also been able to deliver the style I wanted. They have a 9.2 and +6600 reviews on Gangnam Unnie, but the price I was quoted was too high.

Thank you - I am honored to have a good review post in your eyes!! :smile: To answer your other questions, yes it's primary rhinoplasty! And the incision is axillary (armpit). NANA does sub-muscular (called Dual Plane Plus method).
 
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THANK YOU SO MUCH for your review. Would you recommend any of these clinics for fat grafting as well? Also, did you go alone on your trip? Thank you!
Yes, I went alone. I didn't really look into fat grafting, so I don't really know what's "good," sorry! The only info I can share is that NANA is doing a special of free fat graft with your rhino right now, which did make me think about whether I wanted to consider them for rhino lol. It seems like they're marking up their rhino price though so be suspicious if they charge > 5 mil KRW unless your case is complicated (super thick skin, revision, alarplasty in addition to bridge augmentation and tiplasty etc). My recommended procedures were dehumping, tiplasty, and bridge augmentation (silicone implant) and the quotes I were given across my online consultations averaged around 3-5 mil KRW.
 
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I liked Marble's results (Eyes, nose, and breast) and believed they would have also been able to deliver the style I wanted. They have a 9.2 and +6600 reviews on Gangnam Unnie, but the price I was quoted was too high.

Thank you - I am honored to have a good review post in your eyes!! :smile: To answer your other questions, yes it's primary rhinoplasty! And the incision is axillary (armpit). NANA does sub-muscular (called Dual Plane Plus method).
Gurl, your writing skills are top notch and the tips you've given are priceless. I'm already downloading some of the apps you recommended preparing for my trip next year. Hopefully the quarantine is over then. How did you navigate Gangnam Unnie? I've downloaded the app but everything is in Korean and I can't even register. I tried Google translation but no luck.
 
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Hey Mochi! Thank u for the informative review. It’s amazing! How much did your rhinoplasty cost? And was it silicon or rib? They seem to quote me via WhatsApp for rhinoplasty 11.44 million won which includes: rib bridge augmentation, tip plasty using ur own septum catliage and alar base reduction.
 
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Gurl, your writing skills are top notch and the tips you've given are priceless. I'm already downloading some of the apps you recommended preparing for my trip next year. Hopefully the quarantine is over then. How did you navigate Gangnam Unnie? I've downloaded the app but everything is in Korean and I can't even register. I tried Google translation but no luck.
I made a mini guide for you. I don't recall what the registration page exactly looks like, but if you have questions, lmk.

There's a lot in the app you can look into like "events" but those events and the cheap pricing are really for locals unfortunately, so I didn't include it in the guide since it wouldn't really be to your benefit to look into it.
 

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Hey Mochi! Thank u for the informative review. It’s amazing! How much did your rhinoplasty cost? And was it silicon or rib? They seem to quote me via WhatsApp for rhinoplasty 11.44 million won which includes: rib bridge augmentation, tip plasty using ur own septum catliage and alar base reduction.
Thank you! Around 3.5 mil KRW. I have a 1 mm silicone implant for bridge and septal + donor rib cartilage for my tip. Rib bridge augmentation is pretty expensive so 7-11 mil KRW for it seems like usual pricing.