My visualized regimen outcome of an independent skin care consultation session in Seoul/Korea; male/43; critique much welcome.

[greg.jr.martin]

I did a consultation (through AirBnB) with a skin care expert as I have been horrible at treating my skin well throughout the years. Main concerns are saggy and dry skin.

I visualized the products and sequence of the products proposed; in the image please assume retinol at night goes last.

Would love feedback regarding:

— What is the one product/products you would eliminate first?
— What products/treatments may be missing?
— Would you switch sequence?
— Would you change application time (twice vs only at night)?
— After what products is it important to wait?

Thanks so much; any questions/clarifications I can provide please post.

 

[QuelleFromage]

Well, for certain, start with the retinol at MOST every three nights, especially since you have dry skin, see how you go with that before you increase, and add SUNSCREEN every day (always but especially when using retinol).

I'm most fascinated by doing a skincare consult through AirBnB?

 

[greg.jr.martin]

Its an AirBnb experience you can book; exist in all big cities and focus on local culture.
And great point; did not include my daily sun creme in the morning int he line up.

 

[papertiger]

This is why these things are quite dangerous.

If services just recommend products but not how, when and what order, you could ruin your skin.

I wouldn't start to do Retinol in the Summer or in a city/country/climate I wasn't that familiar with. Not only should you be using very high sunscreen but stay out of the sun as much as possible too, nightmare for a pleasurable holiday.

 

[greg.jr.martin]

This is why these things are quite dangerous.

If services just recommend products but not how, when and what order, you could ruin your skin.

I wouldn't start to do Retinol in the Summer or in a city/country/climate I wasn't that familiar with. Not only should you be using very high sunscreen but stay out of the sun as much as possible too, nightmare for a pleasurable holiday.

I think you are jumping to assumptions of retinol usage not being explained; have been using retinol the last 5 years.

 

[fleur21]

hi
I love what i have seen so far, ommmg I am a sucker for skin care products and me too, i have a long train of skin care products too!

 

[Cathindy]

I would see if you can switch the Ordinary retinol to a different one using retinal which is more effective. For example I use the retinal serum of Geek & Gorgeous, retinal is more effective then retinol it's a bit hard for me to explain but if you do some research you will see the benefits. I would also think the wrinkle stick is unneccesary and wouldn't buy a new one once it's empty. I would also recommend "slugging" at night since you have dry skin, I like to slug with Vaseline, Cerave Baby Ointment or Kose Ceramiaid (I personally prefer the last option). And I would suggest to do "double cleansing" with an oil based cleanser and after that the cerave foaming cleanser to make sure you really break down the sunscreen and wash it off thoroughly.

Also a general comment, maybe you already do that, but I would always read the whole ingredient list of any product and cancel out any products with perfume (also things like linalool, limonene, etc), essential oils (like lavender oil, orange peel oil, etc.) and drying alcohol (like alcohol denat). A good website to help you with that is Incidecoder. I also cancel out certain sunscreens (the older ones like Avobenzone, Octocrylene, etc.) but the opinions are divided on that topic.

I'm very invested in my skincare routine and like to focus on smart aging and maintaining a healthy skin barrier

 

[partlysunny]

I am also a male interested in skin treatment.

I have zero skin regiment so it is not surprise that I have sun damage and hyper pigmentations.

I am not really interested in on going treatment nor am I patient enough to bury my face with skincare products but I am aware that some sort of maintenance is compulsory so I think I may have to adapt.

My main question is this, where do I get started?

I did a quick research and it seems like a chemical peel might be the best solution (go in gun blazing).

I am currently in Korea and will be staying here until end of August.

Can someone please advise me?

I am an absolute brute in this sense.

 

[Cathindy]

I am also a male interested in skin treatment.

I have zero skin regiment so it is not surprise that I have sun damage and hyper pigmentations.

I am not really interested in on going treatment nor am I patient enough to bury my face with skincare products but I am aware that some sort of maintenance is compulsory so I think I may have to adapt.

My main question is this, where do I get started?

I did a quick research and it seems like a chemical peel might be the best solution (go in gun blazing).

I am currently in Korea and will be staying here until end of August.

Can someone please advise me?

I am an absolute brute in this sense.

I would start with getting a basic routine right:

oil cleanser (only for night to dissolve the SPF) + water base cleanser (morning&night) + moisturizer + SPF

If you have that set in place you can start with adding products to work on specific concerns. For example a vitamin C serum which helps with sun damage and hyperpigmentation, retinol serum to help with anti aging, chemical exfoliants to help with skin texture, etc. I would only add one new serum at a time and once your skin is adjusted to the new product you can add another one. I think you could also find lots of videos on youtube on how to start a skincare routine. And most important is to never skip SPF anymore otherwise all the effort you put in your routine will be worthless.

 

[partlysunny]

I would start with getting a basic routine right:

oil cleanser (only for night to dissolve the SPF) + water base cleanser (morning&night) + moisturizer + SPF

If you have that set in place you can start with adding products to work on specific concerns. For example a vitamin C serum which helps with sun damage and hyperpigmentation, retinol serum to help with anti aging, chemical exfoliants to help with skin texture, etc. I would only add one new serum at a time and once your skin is adjusted to the new product you can add another one. I think you could also find lots of videos on youtube on how to start a skincare routine. And most important is to never skip SPF anymore otherwise all the effort you put in your routine will be worthless.

Sounds cumbersome but not undoable

I am booked for a consultation with meclinic, heard they are pretty good

I know 1mm does skin as well but I'm unsure if they have dermabrasion

I will eventually consult them as well after I get an idea of where to start

Last question. What's your opinion on chemical skin peel? I sometimes prefer to nuke the problem rather than step by step if you know what I mean

 

[Cathindy]

Sounds cumbersome but not undoable

I am booked for a consultation with meclinic, heard they are pretty good

I know 1mm does skin as well but I'm unsure if they have dermabrasion

I will eventually consult them as well after I get an idea of where to start

Last question. What's your opinion on chemical skin peel? I sometimes prefer to nuke the problem rather than step by step if you know what I mean

Unfortunately there’s no quick fix for clearing up your skin, it’s a very long marathon. Some products could take up to 3 months before you see actual results.

I exfoliate my skin daily with a chemical exfoliant at home so I never looked into chemical peelings done by professionals.

Good luck with the consultant appointments!

 

[partlysunny]

Unfortunately there’s no quick fix for clearing up your skin, it’s a very long marathon. Some products could take up to 3 months before you see actual results.

I exfoliate my skin daily with a chemical exfoliant at home so I never looked into chemical peelings done by professionals.

Good luck with the consultant appointments!

Well.
I got my wish and had picosure treatment right after my consultation at meclinic

It's basically an intense burst of laser that shatters pigmentation, moles or any targeted area

I was completely unprepared for it but went through the session with only minor discomfort

It was not cheap and I didn't think of negotiating the price. I was just eager fix the problem

In retrospect, I should have taken my time to weight my options

The pros of picosure treatment is that I don't have to buy a ton load of products

Cons: not cheap, I feel like I should have at least 3-4 sessions, not 2

next session is in 2 weeks

That should be fun, I guess

 

[GraffS]

I would add a good basic moisturizer like Cerave cream PM (use it on top of all your serums both am and pm) and spf 50+++ in am.

Airbnb skin consultation sounds… interesting.

 

[880]

Well.
I got my wish and had picosure treatment right after my consultation at meclinic

It's basically an intense burst of laser that shatters pigmentation, moles or any targeted area

I was completely unprepared for it but went through the session with only minor discomfort

It was not cheap and I didn't think of negotiating the price. I was just eager fix the problem

In retrospect, I should have taken my time to weight my options

The pros of picosure treatment is that I don't have to buy a ton load of products

Cons: not cheap, I feel like I should have at least 3-4 sessions, not 2

next session is in 2 weeks

That should be fun, I guess

I’ve done picosure and several other lasers. I found it best to do this more than 3-4 sessions and NOT in the summer months bc you don’t want any sun exposure. I waited at least a month between treatments, and I found them quite uncomfortable. But, I did several lasers at a time (lasemd, pico+, among them). I use minimal products on my face.

Re OPs post, I would not assume that all of these products could be used at their recommended times (every three days, at night, etc). I would take the recommendations but go much slower to see which products work. Sometimes it’s hard to figure out what is working if you embark on a complicated regimen

I use one cosmetic dermatologist who is double certified in laser and cosmetic surgery and procedures, who also handles my other skincare needs. From the sound of AirBnB consultation, this implies a single meeting, and not an ongoing relationship

 

[partlysunny]

I’ve done picosure and several other lasers. I found it best to do this more than 3-4 sessions and NOT in the summer months bc you don’t want any sun exposure. I waited at least a month between treatments, and I found them quite uncomfortable. But, I did several lasers at a time (lasemd, pico+, among them). I use minimal products on my face.

Re OPs post, I would not assume that all of these products could be used at their recommended times (every three days, at night, etc). I would take the recommendations but go much slower to see which products work. Sometimes it’s hard to figure out what is working if you embark on a complicated regimen

I use one cosmetic dermatologist who is double certified in laser and cosmetic surgery and procedures, who also handles my other skincare needs. From the sound of AirBnB consultation, this implies a single meeting, and not an ongoing relationship

Yeaa you are right. This summer is very hot, humid and sunny as hell. I forgot to use the sunblock today.. can you enlighten me as to how this will affect my recovery?

Anyway. All the moles are gone and I'm pretty happy with that. Far from perfect but my face looks cleaner

Got 1 more session to go and I'm not sure what to do next