Hello everyone, it has been a good 6 months of researching on this platform. Some of yall may see my replies on some threads. Friendships and social groups were forged throughout this whole journey and it would only be right to contribute back to this awesome community.
I'm currently post 10 days after my 2jaw surgery (SSRO) with The Face Dental, under Maxillofacial surgeon Dr Lee Joong Kyou
My Situation
I am a 22 year old Asian male. Ever since my mid teens i realised my super long jaw side profile and flat face. Also i have a square face. I always wanted a boyish more V face. But of course if my face were to be to V it would be girly, i dont wanna look like a butch! So i was researching that i realise i wanted a \_/ face, a slender jaw line with a stronger chin. I also have a low smile so sometimes when I smile I need to smile wide or twitch my upper lips a little so my teeth can be seen.
I do not have an underbite/overbite. My teeth are aligned properly and my teeth are naturally straight. But, my upper set of teeth and the lower are on top of one another. If you google on images of “perfect set of teeth” you will understand that an aligned biting is not both set of teeth on top of one another, but, the upper set of teeth very slightly infront of the lower set. The upper set should slightly cover over the lower set.
Taiwan
Initially i wanted to have my surgery in Taipei since I can communicate with them in Mandarin.I dont want to have a language barrier with a surgeon that is doing such a big operation on me! I have research through taiwanese purseforum aka fashionguide.tw. Some of the taiwanese in the forum actually considered ID hospital! (here)
I started out consulting with DR. XIE MING JI (DR HSIEH). He was kind enough to SKYPE with me and addressed my issue via video conference. He pointed out several more problems i have, which is a LOW SMILE. You may know of a GUMMY SMILE, but a low smile is basically an opposite of that. A gummy smile is basically when the upper jaw is too long, so a lowsmile is when your upper jaw is too short.
Next i also had an email consultation with Dr. Tsai (蔡宗儒. He on the other hand gave a different approach on my situation. As mentioned i have a protruded lower jaw, meaning my lower half of the face is protruded. Hence, he suggest that i enhance my upper-mid face to "balance" and give the face more dimension. Since i am a guy, a more defined and chiseled feature would be more desirable.
The thing with Dr Tsai is that he is NOT a Maxillofacial surgeon, which is why he may detour their patients to do a nose job or cheek implants instead.
Prices in Taiwan.
Definitely lower than prices in Seoul. But its not by a significant amount. I was quoted around USD10,000 for my procedure with Dr Hsieh. With that said i already made my mind and i booked my ticket to Taipei.
Change of Decision
My plane ticket for Taiwan was definitely a hasty choice. As i read through purseforum and gave my replies on Taiwan plastic surgery, i slowly start to understand more on Korean Plastic surgery. I understand the Koreans are best at this trade but its just the language barrier! Many of them have chinese translator and i slowly start to have KAKAOtalk, chat with them and inquire about my situation. Also not to forget i have forge an amazing bond with this community via KAKAOTALK group and with many of their help and support I managed to understand more about Korean Plastic Surgery.
Unlike the Taiwanese doctors that are more fore-coming, the koreans doctors only do a face-to-face consultation with proper CT scans before they can give their accurate assessment. Thats when NYCangel post thread (here) gave me a light on my research on The Face Dental!
Online Assessment with The Face Dental
The thing about them is that they don’t have their own in-house translator. They have Chinese WeChat and also an English translator, but that’s only if you go for a consultation. The Face Dental shares their translator with their affiliated Plastic Surgery clinic (Apgujeong Plastic Surgery), so when it comes to online assessment and enquiry, it is the Head Consultation by the name of JungSook that is answering you. She is Korean but tries her best to text in English (google translated grammar) so just be warned.
My suggestion is just book an appointment in simple English and asks for an English translator at that specific timing and it wouldn’t go wrong!
The Face Dental: Day 1
Upon arrival, the protocol is that I was arranged for CT X-RAY scans, and mugshot photos for the doctor to assess. Everything was very fast and I did a quick consultation with Head Consultant JungSook. We just addressed some of the problems very briefly and settle some administrative work, with the Chinese translator, 蔡璐。
Dr. Lee came and draft out an operative plan as to how he would correct my structure. Although I have an aligned biting, my lower mandibular was indeed excessive. We also discuss about what are my concerns and what is my ideal shape. I am literally a square face, the CT scan states it clearly. But I wanted a “\_/” face, slender jawline but a strong chin. Also, I’ve shown pictures of Sen Mitsuji to further illustrate that I wanted THAT jawline. Of course I emphasised I wanted a more boyish face, like that of Sen Mitsuji, and not a “V” girlish face! I also did a photoshop illustration on my face to explain what exactly am I looking for. I think its important for you guys to do that, and to get your idea across.
We discussed about dissolvable screws and plates the pros and cons of it. It would be 1m ~ 2m more expensive but can carry higher risks and complications. This is why he suggested that if the plates don’t bother, I can get it removed only after 6 months post-surgery. Fees will apply otherwise.
Dr Lee then continued with using a program to adjust and photoshop my jaw into the “golden ratio” lower jaw structure. For example i said about my side profile view. Since my lower jaw was long, it makes my side profile looks flat and undefined. From the side, your nasal bridge should be aligned with your mentolabial sulcus. Dr. Lee's program will fit your face according to such proportions and give you an overall gauge of your results. We discussed about post-operative care, what to expect numbness risks etc etc but all of these I have understood from reading numerous articles and threads so I have been mentally preparing myself since then. Dr. Lee also brought out some of his past patients’ record and drew some of the similar cases and that how it has changed.
My main concerns were –
1. My allergy ( G6P-Deficiency )
G6PD is rare in East Asia. Dr. Lee and the nurses were confused. Back in my home country it was quite common and its treated as not really a big deal. But when I highlighted the fact of G6PD I feel they kind of exaggerated the issue… Saying that they may need to standby blood bank for blood transfusion and even an ambulance to general hospital… It was intense. But what I was worried is that they refuse me, which of course they did not. My painkillers & antibiotics have to be “specially mild” and my post-care have to be “different”. Basically I was treated really well.
2. How it affects my nose
Due to sunken midface, doctor did suggest Leforte 1 forward which is to push the upper jaw forward. I you guys do a quick google on “Leforte 1” Yall will understand that it will cause the nose to be different. Many common cases widen alars and upturned nose(pig)
Doctor did said that my nose will not be upturned but my alars may/will widen abit. But I was like as long it’s not “piggified” I’m satisfied,
3. Sagging and Complications
Immediately doctor brushed this aside stating that I’m young and my skin and fats distribution are elastic and will heal as time goes by. Because I have thick bones structure and uniform nerve-endings, I was a suitable candidate.
4. IVRO / SSRO?
I wanted to do IVRO so badly. At first it was agreed to proceed with IVRO. IVRO is an easier procedure compared to SSRO. IVRO clam shuts your mouth for the next 14 days while SSRO just rubberband shut it for 1 week with a wafer to align the biting. However, IVRO is said that there will be no nerves damage (though you are still numb in the chin area) along the lower jawline area. SSRO will have nerves damaged but it is said that the numbness(lower lip to chin) will recover.
Because of my allergies and my painkillers are kept at mild Dr.Lee did dissuade me on IVRO since it will be unbearable and uncomfortable. What swayed and confirmed my decision on SSRO is because Dr Lee said he does more SSRO than IVRO at a ratio of 8:2...
So i did SSRO. As of today, i am definitely reaping the benefits of SSRO. Even though i am numb on my lower lip and chin, most of my lower jaw face area is fine. Also, recovery phrase is much easier. If you are a person that cannot do something as simple as controlling your diet you will go mentally berserk doing IVRO. Because the caving for food is real. If you are coming alone, you have to be very very mentally prepared for IVRO.
I heard one of our friends did it alone, felt so depressed and flew back to her country at day 6. Flew back to Seoul at Day 19.
At the end of the day, I decided on SSRO with 4 areas to be addressed:
- Lower Mid-face Sunken (Side-Profile)
- Lower Mandibular Prognathism
- Low smile
- Slender Jawline with stronger chin
- Re-align Biting
Solution & Cost :
- Upper Jaw forward (3mm)
- Upper Jaw downwards (1mm)
- Lower Jaw backwards (7mm)
- Lower mandible & Chin slightly shaved
- Jaw botox
I'm currently post 10 days after my 2jaw surgery (SSRO) with The Face Dental, under Maxillofacial surgeon Dr Lee Joong Kyou
My Situation
I am a 22 year old Asian male. Ever since my mid teens i realised my super long jaw side profile and flat face. Also i have a square face. I always wanted a boyish more V face. But of course if my face were to be to V it would be girly, i dont wanna look like a butch! So i was researching that i realise i wanted a \_/ face, a slender jaw line with a stronger chin. I also have a low smile so sometimes when I smile I need to smile wide or twitch my upper lips a little so my teeth can be seen.
I do not have an underbite/overbite. My teeth are aligned properly and my teeth are naturally straight. But, my upper set of teeth and the lower are on top of one another. If you google on images of “perfect set of teeth” you will understand that an aligned biting is not both set of teeth on top of one another, but, the upper set of teeth very slightly infront of the lower set. The upper set should slightly cover over the lower set.
Taiwan
Initially i wanted to have my surgery in Taipei since I can communicate with them in Mandarin.I dont want to have a language barrier with a surgeon that is doing such a big operation on me! I have research through taiwanese purseforum aka fashionguide.tw. Some of the taiwanese in the forum actually considered ID hospital! (here)
I started out consulting with DR. XIE MING JI (DR HSIEH). He was kind enough to SKYPE with me and addressed my issue via video conference. He pointed out several more problems i have, which is a LOW SMILE. You may know of a GUMMY SMILE, but a low smile is basically an opposite of that. A gummy smile is basically when the upper jaw is too long, so a lowsmile is when your upper jaw is too short.
Next i also had an email consultation with Dr. Tsai (蔡宗儒. He on the other hand gave a different approach on my situation. As mentioned i have a protruded lower jaw, meaning my lower half of the face is protruded. Hence, he suggest that i enhance my upper-mid face to "balance" and give the face more dimension. Since i am a guy, a more defined and chiseled feature would be more desirable.
The thing with Dr Tsai is that he is NOT a Maxillofacial surgeon, which is why he may detour their patients to do a nose job or cheek implants instead.
Prices in Taiwan.
Definitely lower than prices in Seoul. But its not by a significant amount. I was quoted around USD10,000 for my procedure with Dr Hsieh. With that said i already made my mind and i booked my ticket to Taipei.
Change of Decision
My plane ticket for Taiwan was definitely a hasty choice. As i read through purseforum and gave my replies on Taiwan plastic surgery, i slowly start to understand more on Korean Plastic surgery. I understand the Koreans are best at this trade but its just the language barrier! Many of them have chinese translator and i slowly start to have KAKAOtalk, chat with them and inquire about my situation. Also not to forget i have forge an amazing bond with this community via KAKAOTALK group and with many of their help and support I managed to understand more about Korean Plastic Surgery.
Unlike the Taiwanese doctors that are more fore-coming, the koreans doctors only do a face-to-face consultation with proper CT scans before they can give their accurate assessment. Thats when NYCangel post thread (here) gave me a light on my research on The Face Dental!
Online Assessment with The Face Dental
The thing about them is that they don’t have their own in-house translator. They have Chinese WeChat and also an English translator, but that’s only if you go for a consultation. The Face Dental shares their translator with their affiliated Plastic Surgery clinic (Apgujeong Plastic Surgery), so when it comes to online assessment and enquiry, it is the Head Consultation by the name of JungSook that is answering you. She is Korean but tries her best to text in English (google translated grammar) so just be warned.
My suggestion is just book an appointment in simple English and asks for an English translator at that specific timing and it wouldn’t go wrong!
The Face Dental: Day 1
Upon arrival, the protocol is that I was arranged for CT X-RAY scans, and mugshot photos for the doctor to assess. Everything was very fast and I did a quick consultation with Head Consultant JungSook. We just addressed some of the problems very briefly and settle some administrative work, with the Chinese translator, 蔡璐。
Dr. Lee came and draft out an operative plan as to how he would correct my structure. Although I have an aligned biting, my lower mandibular was indeed excessive. We also discuss about what are my concerns and what is my ideal shape. I am literally a square face, the CT scan states it clearly. But I wanted a “\_/” face, slender jawline but a strong chin. Also, I’ve shown pictures of Sen Mitsuji to further illustrate that I wanted THAT jawline. Of course I emphasised I wanted a more boyish face, like that of Sen Mitsuji, and not a “V” girlish face! I also did a photoshop illustration on my face to explain what exactly am I looking for. I think its important for you guys to do that, and to get your idea across.
We discussed about dissolvable screws and plates the pros and cons of it. It would be 1m ~ 2m more expensive but can carry higher risks and complications. This is why he suggested that if the plates don’t bother, I can get it removed only after 6 months post-surgery. Fees will apply otherwise.
Dr Lee then continued with using a program to adjust and photoshop my jaw into the “golden ratio” lower jaw structure. For example i said about my side profile view. Since my lower jaw was long, it makes my side profile looks flat and undefined. From the side, your nasal bridge should be aligned with your mentolabial sulcus. Dr. Lee's program will fit your face according to such proportions and give you an overall gauge of your results. We discussed about post-operative care, what to expect numbness risks etc etc but all of these I have understood from reading numerous articles and threads so I have been mentally preparing myself since then. Dr. Lee also brought out some of his past patients’ record and drew some of the similar cases and that how it has changed.
My main concerns were –
1. My allergy ( G6P-Deficiency )
G6PD is rare in East Asia. Dr. Lee and the nurses were confused. Back in my home country it was quite common and its treated as not really a big deal. But when I highlighted the fact of G6PD I feel they kind of exaggerated the issue… Saying that they may need to standby blood bank for blood transfusion and even an ambulance to general hospital… It was intense. But what I was worried is that they refuse me, which of course they did not. My painkillers & antibiotics have to be “specially mild” and my post-care have to be “different”. Basically I was treated really well.
2. How it affects my nose
Due to sunken midface, doctor did suggest Leforte 1 forward which is to push the upper jaw forward. I you guys do a quick google on “Leforte 1” Yall will understand that it will cause the nose to be different. Many common cases widen alars and upturned nose(pig)
Doctor did said that my nose will not be upturned but my alars may/will widen abit. But I was like as long it’s not “piggified” I’m satisfied,
3. Sagging and Complications
Immediately doctor brushed this aside stating that I’m young and my skin and fats distribution are elastic and will heal as time goes by. Because I have thick bones structure and uniform nerve-endings, I was a suitable candidate.
4. IVRO / SSRO?
I wanted to do IVRO so badly. At first it was agreed to proceed with IVRO. IVRO is an easier procedure compared to SSRO. IVRO clam shuts your mouth for the next 14 days while SSRO just rubberband shut it for 1 week with a wafer to align the biting. However, IVRO is said that there will be no nerves damage (though you are still numb in the chin area) along the lower jawline area. SSRO will have nerves damaged but it is said that the numbness(lower lip to chin) will recover.
Because of my allergies and my painkillers are kept at mild Dr.Lee did dissuade me on IVRO since it will be unbearable and uncomfortable. What swayed and confirmed my decision on SSRO is because Dr Lee said he does more SSRO than IVRO at a ratio of 8:2...
So i did SSRO. As of today, i am definitely reaping the benefits of SSRO. Even though i am numb on my lower lip and chin, most of my lower jaw face area is fine. Also, recovery phrase is much easier. If you are a person that cannot do something as simple as controlling your diet you will go mentally berserk doing IVRO. Because the caving for food is real. If you are coming alone, you have to be very very mentally prepared for IVRO.
I heard one of our friends did it alone, felt so depressed and flew back to her country at day 6. Flew back to Seoul at Day 19.
At the end of the day, I decided on SSRO with 4 areas to be addressed:
- Lower Mid-face Sunken (Side-Profile)
- Lower Mandibular Prognathism
- Low smile
- Slender Jawline with stronger chin
- Re-align Biting
Solution & Cost :
- Upper Jaw forward (3mm)
- Upper Jaw downwards (1mm)
- Lower Jaw backwards (7mm)
- Lower mandible & Chin slightly shaved
- Jaw botox
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