Yes I went temporarily insane and it worked!!! O.K. you are not going to believe this! I actually made my 06' kind of veiny, sort of shiny leather, completely mat with no veins at all, OMG, I seriously cant belive how it looks. You know how all of the SA's say with time and use they tend to loose that veiny shiny look, well I took it into my own hands, and yes, I twisted and turned the heck out of my ink city(first just a reall small area) and I am sooooooo freakin' impressed I did the entire bag like that! I am sooooo going to post pics as soon as I can. You are not going to believe how it looks. Seriously just like the old leathers.