Okay so now I have: 2 blacks (a city and a day) and 2 caramels (a city and now a day!): I know see what everyone says about 05 leather. This is the thickest leather I own together with the black 05 day. My other bag years (03 and 04) are not as thick as these are. Also took two pics of the 2 caramels together: this 05 day and 03 city. A world apart in shades (the 03 city is the one I had my repairers restore and was annoyed about from a separate thread posting). ps. I noticed the bottom half of the caramel day has more 'wrinkles' and puffiness and the upper half is smoother. Is this a 'wearing in' thing? (you can see what I mean from the first two pics) I think it probably is correct?