Thanks Amina, just knowing that helps. The pictures Neiman shows are pretty orange and I wasn't sure if it was just the lighting since when I go to Net-a-Porter and look at Ginger in another Mulberry bag, it doesn't look entirely different from the Oak of yet another picture. I think I would prefer the Oak but Net-a-Porter, Neiman and Bergdorf don't have it. If anyone knows where I can find Oak without ordering from London and paying shipping plus $80. est. VAT please let me know. Not eBay - thanks!!!