Scarves Looking for Some Advice on My First Hermes Scarf

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  1. Hello my dears! I hope you don't mind sharing some thoughts with me on my Hermes scarf dilemma; I would so greatly appreciate learning from your experience and expertise.

    I am not a frequent visitor to the Hermes section of TPF but as I am getting older I am more and more drawn to the brand (uh oh!). I am still in 20s and Hermes is a significant investment, even when it comes to SLGs, jewelry and scarves. I think it's a worthwhile one but I have to think things through.

    I frequently admire everyone's beautiful scarves here on the Hermes forum and have been thinking about getting my first one for a while. I have tried on some of mom's scarves and I have some of my own non-designer silk scarves. My mom always says I'm too young for it and that it makes me look more mature (not in a good way). It's been something that has kept me from investing in a scarf thus far.

    My wardrobe is fairly neutral with lots of white, black, navy, blue, beige, red. I have some statement pieces to mix things up but I don't like to wear too much color at once.

    I saw the Panthera Pardus scarf (140) online and in videos and it took my breath away. I like the white/black combo and I've been seriously thinking about pulling the trigger on buying it. Some questions I have before I do so:

    1. Do you think it's a better 'investment' to buy something colorful and complex that you couldn't get from other brands? I love the black and white look and I absolutely adore the panther, but part of me wonders if I'd be silly not to get one of the wildly colorful scarves Hermes is known for? I don't think this scarf is simply by any means but it's colors are certainly toned down - perhaps the modern look of it is what draws me to it.
    2. A lot of you have suggested, to others in similar predicaments, to go to the store and try some scarves on. My local store is pretty far and I called to ask about the Panthera scarf and they said they don't have it in. Should I wait until I can go to a bigger store? Is it advised against ordering online?
    3. 140 vs 90 cm - that's something that I have been thinking about as well. Obviously bigger scarves are more expensive but do any of you have strong opinions which size is best as a starter scarf? Which is more wearable? Is it just personal preference?
    4. How long (with good care) do you think an Hermes scarf can last if you actually use it often. I am thinking about it in terms of cost per wear but I also want it to be a 'forever' piece in my collection. Is that realistic?
    5. Cashmere/Silk shawls: That's another option I'm considering. Are they more or less durable? Wearable? What is your experience with them?
    6. I've seen many of you cite the quality of Hermes silk scarves (not sure if this also extends to their cashmere shawls) as being unrivaled. I would love to hear any additional thoughts on this.

    Sorry if these questions are lengthy and perhaps even neurotic. I know many of you have dozens of scarves and other Hermes items and maybe you're thinking, "Girl, just pick a darn scarf and buy it" but I am very indecisive and it is a significant purchase for me - I want to make it special :smile: I thank you all in advance for taking the time to read this and hopefully share some of your thoughts.
     
  2. #2 Mar 24, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2018
    There are many, many wonderful experts here who can comment about Hermes scarves and collecting strategy. I offer my own philosophical point of view - I have been collecting and wearing scarves for a very long time, from many brands. It is true that Hermes is the best quality and if you are going to be a “scarf person” you definitely should incorporate H into your collection.

    I also have pieces at virtually every price point (no trip to Paris is complete without at least one scarf from H and maybe one from rather less expensive Monoprix :smile: ). My own rule is that a color/size combo needs to be unique in my collection, or an upgrade in quality if I already have a similar combo (which I then usually rehome). Not every outfit or outing requires an H scarf.

    I say find one that you love and wear it as often as you like. Personally I like the larger 140s over the 90s because I find them easier to tie/wrap and feel I can wear them more ways. But the great thing about scarves is they completely transform an outfit, and one scarf can transform different outfits in unique ways. (And they always fit!) And if you take care of them they will last a lifetime.

    H.com is a great option if you have difficulty getting to a boutique to try on, and returns are easy. And coincidentally I have that exact scarf you are considering, but have not yet worn it. I expect it will be in frequent rotation if spring ever actually shows up. It's a beautiful and modern design and black/white is classic. Good luck, and enjoy!
     
  3. I recommend a cashmere/silk 140 shawl - I find them more versatile than the 100% silk 90cms. There's plenty of great designs this season to get you started - timeliness and beautiful. Highly recommend are the Jaguar Quetzal in black/white, Robe du Soir in white/red or the Samurai. There's other threads for pictures/samples. They're a great investment - you'll get good use out of it and they should last a lifetime with proper care. You won't regret it! :flowers: Let us know what you go with and good luck!
     
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  4. Thank you for such a thoughtful reply! Sounds like you have a wonderful collection of scarves :love:. My scarf collection is tiny and I'm not quite as adept as some of the collectors here at incorporating them into outfits. I do think a beautiful Hermes scarf could transform my wardrobe.

    Since you happen to have the exact scarf I'm considering, I wanted to ask if you considered other colors (or tried them on perhaps)? I know it comes in blue and brown/green. Also, have you ever ripped/torn an H scarf? I have had other silk scarves and in a few years I find they tend to start falling apart.

    Thank you for the recommendations; they're all so stunning. Jaguar Quetzal in black/white is most like the silk scarf I'm considering so it would be a great alternative option. I am curious why you recommend a cashmere/silk scarf over the 100% silk version? I am definitely open to the idea. I was thinking that cashmere may not wear as well as all silk because of potential pilling etc. At least I have had that experience with other shawls and clothes of similar composition (I know nothing about H's version though). Do you prefer 90 cm for silk and 140 cm for cashmere/silk? Curious to hear more :smile:
     
  5. Sure thing. So a few things: I haven't had any experiences with piling on the cashmere shawls. They're thin and light enough that I don't think piling should happen on them, but I guess that also depends on how much "rubbing" it goes through. I also prefer the 140 over 90 silk because the cashmere blend makes it warmer, hence more versatile for using in cold weather. I find the 90's aren't too too warm, and for their bright colors, they function more as a very chic/stylish accessory to your outfit (ie. fashion over super practicality). Don't get me wrong, I like them a lot too, but I feel like they serve very different purposes. For someone who wants to dip into the H scarf game, the higher price point is better earned with the 140s in my opinion. Try them in store and let me know what you think! You really can't go wrong with either types - that's the good thing :smile:
     
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  6. I would say 90 is a better starter piece, esp. if you want to keep it forever as the first scarf is always special (i keep mine even if colors totally wash me out). Definitely dont buy online and try them out in a store with an experienced and enthusiastic SA - tell them you are buyin* your first one!
    I definitely notice worsen quality of cashmeres compAred to the first ones i got many years ago. They look so worn out with lots of threads pulled after a year, whereas my first ones look very fresh after much use. So if you want to keep it forever, quality is smth to consider. Also in my country i can only use them during winter, they are too warm ortherwise.
    As to the color, i would get smth you cant find in other brands, smth very Hermes.
     
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    1. Do you think it's a better 'investment' to buy something colorful and complex that you couldn't get from other brands? I love the black and white look and I absolutely adore the panther, but part of me wonders if I'd be silly not to get one of the wildly colorful scarves Hermes is known for? I don't think this scarf is simply by any means but it's colors are certainly toned down - perhaps the modern look of it is what draws me to it.
    Some of my scarves have many shades and some are more simple. I am rather hesitant spending so much money on a single colour on background, there are other cheaper makes I could get those types of scarves.
    1. A lot of you have suggested, to others in similar predicaments, to go to the store and try some scarves on. My local store is pretty far and I called to ask about the Panthera scarf and they said they don't have it in. Should I wait until I can go to a bigger store? Is it advised against ordering online?
    Online is very useful if your local store doesn't have in what you want. You can always buy it on line and pick it up in store. That way you can try it and many others to compare to check it's the right one before keeping or returning/exchanging.
    1. 140 vs 90 cm - that's something that I have been thinking about as well. Obviously bigger scarves are more expensive but do any of you have strong opinions which size is best as a starter scarf? Which is more wearable? Is it just personal preference?
    I have both but the 140s are a lot of silk. The 90 (carre) is the classic size and so versatile. You can make a 90 into anything, top, belt, bag, bolero, hair-band, turban etc. But yes it is totally about preference.
    1. How long (with good care) do you think an Hermes scarf can last if you actually use it often. I am thinking about it in terms of cost per wear but I also want it to be a 'forever' piece in my collection. Is that realistic?
    A pure silk twill is very hardy (hand-wash/dry-clean though) whilst a cashmere is more delicate. I would not recommend a 140 cashmere and silk (CSGM) for a first silk,
    1. Cashmere/Silk shawls: That's another option I'm considering. Are they more or less durable? Wearable? What is your experience with them?
    See above
    1. I've seen many of you cite the quality of Hermes silk scarves (not sure if this also extends to their cashmere shawls) as being unrivaled. I would love to hear any additional thoughts on this.
    I have mostly H, a few Gucci, Chanel, Ferragamo and Liberty. They are all good quality. H scarves are made in France and all the others are made in specialist factories in Italy. Most of my scarves are from the last 10 years but I also have a few vintage H scarves are from the 1960s and 70s and doing fine so yes, very hardy. I prefer H scarves when the print is highly saturated and comes through to the reverse, if the print is very pale on the reverse I'm less keen. Their cashmeres are very good quality too but they can be pulled on earrings, rings, necklaces, zips, other people's jewellery and zips etc, basically I have to be careful.
     
  7. I’m a new collector too and for my first scarf I went for a multi coloured very saturated 90 silk which I fell completely in love with. Mono prints are ten a penny from any designer but the skill of complex designs in saturated colours is a H speciality I think. But, you should always buy what you are going to wear and if you wouldn’t be seen in a gaily coloured scarf go mono by all means. I think a silk twill will wear much harder than a cashmere, and will look pristine for much longer. 90 is a good size to start, so much can be done with it, and the investment isn’t too steep for a first piece while you find your feet about what you truely love.
     
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  8. I think you need to buy what makes your heart skip a beat and looks good on you. Just because you love a design flat, doesn’t mean it’ll look good on you. It took me awhile to really figure that out and there are plenty of designs that didn’t sing to me flat but look fabulous on. That said, if black and white is calling you and it looks good on, don’t second guess yourself. Don’t try to talk yourself into color because that’s what you think you should do. I think 140 silk definitely works for a younger style. I have more 90s myself but I’m in a corporate office, fitting my wardrobe better.
     
  9. My number one criteria is “does this make my heart sing?” versus size or coloration of a particular silk. I think many of us here have favorites that are complex and other favorites that are simple. I understand where your mom may be coming from when she says 90 silk twill scarves make you look too “mature” for your age, but I think she’s referring to the traditional scarf wearing look tied around your neck, which is only one way to style a scarf. There are so many fun ways to wear a silk twill scarf that won’t make you feel frumpy or old-fashioned. I think the key is to have fun with whatever silk you choose and incorporate it into your daily lifestyle (rather than leave it sitting in a drawer while you wait for the “perfect” occasion or outfit). Play around with it and try out different things — some may work, some may not, but you’ll have fun no matter what. Here are some examples of my trial and error approach to silks:

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  10. #11 Mar 25, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2018
    OMG! The Chaine D'Ancre and the scarf = :heart: Very beautifu!

    @okdot: I agree with some of the members above: Get a 140 silk or a CSGM in a design and colorway that makes you super happy. If you're in your 20's, you'll find this really easy to drape and wear. The 140 silk can easily be worn all year round. I learned that the spring 140 silks are more lightweight than the winter ones however, so just be aware. Let us know what you end up with. I'm excited for you!

    Here are a few tutorials from scarf expert, @MYH, and you'll find this particular thread extremely informative:
    https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/myhs-scarf-showcase-and-philosophical-ramblings-about-how-i-built-my-collection.924187/page-17#post-29425841

    https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/myhs-scarf-showcase-and-philosophical-ramblings-about-how-i-built-my-collection.924187/page-25#post-29435946
     
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  11. #12 Mar 25, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2018
    Hi!!!

    I went through this exact same dilemma very recently. I'm super new to H and after buying my first H bag (Picotin 22), I decided to go back and try on some scarves. I've always been drawn to scarves but never owned a pricey/luxury one.

    Anyway, the 90 carres felt intimidating and I wasn't quite sure how I would style them or if they would fit my lifestyle/wardrobe. Since I'm not a collector (yet), I would really like to buy something that I know I will use to death.

    So that led me and my SA to the 140 CSGMs. The feel of the cashmere + silk was incredible. Yes, they are super pricey but I figured, also thinking about cost per wear, I will really be able to make use of it given where I live (in Chicago where I feel like half of the year is considered cold/freezing). The cashmere makes light yet warm enough. The size of the scarf + ability to drape or be styled in a number of different ways was also a big factor for me. I definitely got a kick out of figuring out how to be more creative with folding, wrapping, tying... pretty fun activity.

    Next difficult challenge was the design and cw. When I bought my first, I think I was at the store for almost, I'm not even joking, probably close to 2 hours. I tried on a bunch of styles and colors but I was rigorous in what stayed in the "top finalists" pile of 3 at a time so that I didn't end up with just an arm-load of scarves. I also knew what colors didn't work for my wardrobe or skin tone so I didn't even go there. At first, I wanted to play it safe and get something super neutral like the Palanque and it would definitely have worked with everything but it also felt super safe and didn't quite feel like it was an H -- if you know what I mean.

    My SA was super helpful and I would suggest definitely coming in with an opinion of what you like and don't like (wild animal prints or florals or colors etc). She helped me come to a conclusion that I look better and like better the styles with a naturel color and so picked out designs they have that come in that cw. In the end, I was choosing between the Robe du Soir in the naturel/rouge H/bois de rose cw or the Selle d'Officier en Grande Tenue in the naturel/marron/rouge.

    You have no idea how many times I went back and forth and by the end, I was getting sick of trying them on myself but I felt like it was such a big investment that I needed to really think about it. In the end, I decided on the Selle d'Officier because I loved all the other colors (the yellows, greens and blues were so beautiful) and could see myself wearing it easily with most of my clothes.

    Anyway, sorry if this is a long response but I never realized how much of a process it was for me in deciding my first H scarf. I had so much fun at the store and my SA was a big help and I that added to my positive experience. I can say that it will definitely not be my last scarf!

    So excited for you and would love to hear about what you'll end up getting! I'm sure you will love it, whatever it is. :smile:
     
  12. You've asked some great questions.

    On the question of what might be good for a first scarf if you fear a 90 is too mature looking, and cashmere is a pretty expensive "try it" scarf and may need special care, consider a couple of pocket squares or bandanas or a maxi twilly to try. Iris is beautiful in all formats and the Robe du Soir pocket square is very pretty. I also really like the En Desordre and also the Festival maxi twilly this spring. The little medallions on the Festival remind me of some of the medallions on Samourais.

    On the question of hardiness. My oldest twill scarf, a 90 size, is from 1958 and is still in good vintage condition and wearable.
     
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  13. You're welcome! For the Panthera I did not look at other colors - I had a "gap" in my collection for black/white in silk and when I tried it on I knew it was "the one."

    As far as rips/tears go, I don't think I have ever torn any silk scarf. But, even my faves get worn no more than twice a week so they have time to rest. (I still have a few ancient inexpensive ones that are still in good shape, and H silks are impeccable quality and you can feel the difference immediately.) Just clean them when they need it and store them well.

    Also, many lovely ladies here have recommended Maitai's blog for scarf tying and maintenance advice - http://www.maitaispicturebook.com.
     
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  14. I think the sentiments you express really resonate with me. I think I was kind of drawn to the 140 because it works better for my style at this time in my life. I had trouble reconciling that with seeing all these beautiful, colorful 90 cm silks on other ladies. Also I agree that scarves are more tricky than I imagined because they look very different folded, and there are so many ways to fold them too. The complexity is a welcome challenge but it makes deciding a challenge all of its own.

    Wow amazing! So creative and beautiful. These are great ideas for getting more wear out of scarves and definitely comforts me about my cost per wear dilemma. Your comment led me to google / search the forum for others ideas too and I realized how much fun people have with these scarves. It's like a whole new part of the fashion world. No matter what I choose, you've really shown me how versatile and fun scarves can be.

    Thank you for your post! Those links were extremely helpful actually as it sounded like many people were really preferring the 90 cm, but reading MYH's posts about the 140 made me realize that I agree with her thoughts on the size. Granted, I still think I will have to get a 90 cm scarf one of these days, but I feel less worried about going for 140 cm as my first scarf.

    Don't be sorry! I loved you reply, and I am glad knowing I am not the only one who is new to all of this. I am really happy you chose the Selle d'Officier; when I clicked on your links I was just thinking 'I hope she chose that one it's absolutely stunning'. Both are beautiful so I see why the decision was difficult.

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    @bagnut1 @js2367 @juss @papertiger @Mandycharlie @bunnycat and the ladies I quoted/replied to above I want to say THANK YOU. From the bottom of my heart thank you. I am so grateful you took time out of your busy lives to help me :blush::hugs::hugs::hbeat: You may or may not already realize this but you make phenomenal mentors without whom I don't know if I would be brave enough to try all these new things nor clever enough to figure out all the nuances. It has been a huge help to me.

    So after reading everything, going through the 2018 spring scarf thread and hundreds of other posts, I have narrowed it down.

    I had thought about H scarves before and have long admired them on others. It wasn't until I saw the Panthera Pardus in black/white silk 140cm that I really decided I needed an H scarf. That has to mean something, right? I think I would regret it if I didn't choose this design.

    I was ready to get the B/W PP 140 until I stumbled onto @cavalla 's post https://forum.purseblog.com/attachments/img_0958-jpg.3985761/ with the blue version. It looks so different from the photo on Hermes website (looks so much more beautiful in her photo). I think it's the same one at least. I considered the brown/green CW too but I think I like the non-brown coloring for the panther itself for this design. So now I am considering blue as well :confused1: not really sure what to do. I know ideally I would try both on but unfortunately I cannot.

    My plan is to choose one of the two and order it online. If it doesn't work for me in the way I expect then I will get my butt down to the store in that month and exchange it for something else by working with an SA. I know for the 90 cm I will definitely need to go to the store to try on a bunch of designs and colors because I think I will go for something more colorful and complex in that size. Since I am decided on the design for the most part I think it will be okay to order this first one online. I believe it's a reissue of the first iteration of PP so I don't want to miss out on the design by taking too long!

    :flowers: Thank you again, everyone. If you have any thoughts on the color choice, I am all ears!
     
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