I think refurbished is a good way to go in order to save unless you want to buy new. Then I would have to say Costco or any other electronics store that is offering a gift certificate back. For example on Black Friday I believe Best buy and Target both offered $20.00 back in their stores if you buy an ipod. Apple itself had a sale around Black Friday where I believe the ipods were 10% off? Who knows if they will have another one.