Yes...it is that time of year fall/winter and I need a bag without vachette...must be a shoulder bag...which do you think would be nicer epi madeline pm in either red or cassis or the mini lin manon mm...I have never had anything in the mini lin collection..not sure how durable the material is and how happy people are with mini lin...I do have some epi and it is super duper durable....love the epi alma but, hand held is not practical at the moment...the madeline is okay but, I am not like wow over it...suhali and mahina would be nice but, for that price I could get 3 bags or a bag and many accessoires...I know I probably should not think that way but, I do....any help picking the perfect fall/winter shoulder bag w/o vachette would be much appreciated...thanks