Scarves Hermès Scarf Identification

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This thread is for identifying scarves only

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[Klamotti3]

The second is Ferronnerie by Katy Latham, produced in the 70cm vintage fabric and the other is Wlodek Kaminski, Selle d'Officier, also in 70cm vintage,

I spent some time going back through the entire catalogue of 70's at some point and posted the year of issue of all that I could find here. I think Ferronnerie was 2010.

https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/ode-to-the-70-cm-scarves.524415/page-89

Thanks a lot I found them both.

I think I will go searching for more of those. I believe I like them even better then the 90's .

 

[marietouchet]

Good morning, I started documenting my scarves on cards and in envelopes inspired by the lovely Mai Tai’s system, and wonder if any scarfies have background information on Tree of Song and/or Carnaval Des Oiseaux. Were these designs a previous issue and do you know the date of original issue? Also, just any general information about these designs, or if you can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. H occasionally seems to include interesting design information on the website but other than the designer it’s very hit or miss. Thanks!

Sorry no info , these are recent ones (translate: YES, info is hit or miss at best), and the only sources are
1 Web site, if the designs are still there, it may be useless
2 Booklet for season of issue, might be useful , but not in this case, I dont think either made the booklets, I could be wrong
AND if you are desperate, you could pull LE MONDE D HERMES for the last few years, but that is a long shot
PS Both were 2019, I think ... BUT it is very hard to prove a date if they did not appear in a booklet, and nowadays they dribble onto the web site .... some 6 months later than others of the same collection
PS neither was ever in 90cm and documentation for anything but 90s has historically been even spottier

 

[Angelian]

Good morning, I started documenting my scarves on cards and in envelopes inspired by the lovely Mai Tai’s system, and wonder if any scarfies have background information on Tree of Song and/or Carnaval Des Oiseaux. Were these designs a previous issue and do you know the date of original issue? Also, just any general information about these designs, or if you can point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. H occasionally seems to include interesting design information on the website but other than the designer it’s very hit or miss. Thanks!

Carnaval des Oiseaux by Laurence Bourthoumieux (aka Toutsy), new design for AW2019/2020 (140cm silk).


Tree of Song by Ardmore Artists was first introduced as an enamel bangle the season before it was issued as a twilly for SS2019. Besides that, no “regular” size scarf and believe that’s why there is no further background information on this design.

(The H seasonal booklets that have the background only cover 90s, both designs are not.)

 

[Etriers]

Carnaval des Oiseaux by Laurence Bourthoumieux (aka Toutsy), new design for AW2019/2020 (140cm silk).
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Tree of Song by Ardmore Artists was first introduced as an enamel bangle the season before it was issued as a twilly for SS2019. Besides that, no “regular” size scarf and believe that’s why there is no further background information on this design.

(The H seasonal booklets that have the background only cover 90s, both designs are not.)

Thank you, that’s very helpful!

 

[Etriers]

Sorry no info , these are recent ones (translate: YES, info is hit or miss at best), and the only sources are
1 Web site, if the designs are still there, it may be useless
2 Booklet for season of issue, might be useful , but not in this case, I dont think either made the booklets, I could be wrong
AND if you are desperate, you could pull LE MONDE D HERMES for the last few years, but that is a long shot
PS Both were 2019, I think ... BUT it is very hard to prove a date if they did not appear in a booklet, and nowadays they dribble onto the web site .... some 6 months later than others of the same collection
PS neither was ever in 90cm and documentation for anything but 90s has historically been even spottier

Thank you! At least I won’t drive myself crazy looking for something that doesn’t exist.

 

[Etriers]

Okay, another question for the experts, are colorways usually numbered similarly? I apologize if someone has asked this already. I noticed yesterday as I was writing cards for my scarves that I seem to be drawn to CW 10. Are scarves in pinks labeled in certain CW’s and oranges in certain CW’s or is it by contrast or chroma or some such thing? Or is it just random numbering? I didn’t think my scarves looked so similar but maybe they do?!?! Lol! Maybe I just keep buying the same scarf over and over.

 

[marietouchet]

Okay, another question for the experts, are colorways usually numbered similarly? I apologize if someone has asked this already. I noticed yesterday as I was writing cards for my scarves that I seem to be drawn to CW 10. Are scarves in pinks labeled in certain CW’s and oranges in certain CW’s or is it by contrast or chroma or some such thing? Or is it just random numbering? I didn’t think my scarves looked so similar but maybe they do?!?! Lol! Maybe I just keep buying the same scarf over and over.

That certainly did not used to be so, and H is not known for adhering to rules, I vote for random
But, there is a trend now for repetitive cws, I bet there are 6 diff 90s that were done in Rouge/Rose/Blanc last season

 

[Etriers]

That certainly did not used to be so, and H is not known for adhering to rules, I vote for random
But, there is a trend now for repetitive cws, I bet there are 6 diff 90s that were done in Rouge/Rose/Blanc last season

Thank you! Well, it isn’t by color. I just went over to H.com and looked at three similarly colored scarves—Blanc/Brique/Brun, Blanc/Fauve/Brique, and Blanc/Rose/Brun and they are entirely different CWs. It’s probably something ridiculously simple like the order that they screen the series. The CW they do first is probably 01, the one they do second is 02 etc.

 

[marietouchet]

Thank you! Well, it isn’t by color. I just went over to H.com and looked at three similarly colored scarves—Blanc/Brique/Brun, Blanc/Fauve/Brique, and Blanc/Rose/Brun and they are entirely different CWs. It’s probably something ridiculously simple like the order that they screen the series. The CW they do first is probably 01, the one they do second is 02 etc.

Got to thinking some more ...
Nowadays there are signature colors every season - menthol was big a bit back, bleu noir is big this season and so forth
Well, there are 4-5 signature colors each season , eg rose pale, ciel, bordeaux, curry, marine, marron - brown is back!! I picked up those off the cws for PATISSERIE
And there are signature color combos - again from PATISSERIE - Rouge/Rose/Blanc, Orange / Rose , Marron/Beige
Then you can go to another design - I randomly picked BOLDUC AU CARRE - also 2019AW - and lo and behold we have the same colors and combos eg Rose Pale / Ciel, Marron / Rose, Jaune/Rose
Well, anyway, the instructions for the colorists when starting a new design eg COSMOGRAPHIA could be along the lines / are certainly along the lines of
1. You MUST have the following cws : Rouge/Rose, Ciel/Rose, Orange / Rose
2. For a pen and ink design - CITE CAVALIERE - which is nearly monochrome - you MUST have a cw in each of the 4 signature colors
So, a colorist may "copy" the colors from BOLDUC onto a new design eg COSMO , that could account for numbering sometimes being carried over, but I dont think there is as requirement to reuse the numbering , just to reuse the palette colors
Anyway, it did not used to be like that - Bali when she designed used her own distinctive palette of primary colors, Faivre did not use the BB palette, the Faivre cws were not seen in BB scarves , there was more variation from designer to designer, but that seems to be a thing of the past
To coin a pun, there used to be a lot more coloring outside the box

 

[Etriers]

You should write a book (if you haven’t already) you are amazing! Thank you. So interesting. I’m becoming an H geek.

 

[marietouchet]

You should write a book (if you haven’t already) you are amazing! Thank you. So interesting. I’m becoming an H geek.

I appreciate your kind words
It would be fun to do so but impossible due to copyright restrictions, the legal Kabuki dance is not my thing I WANT to give credit, but it is so mind numbingly tedious to do so.
I know a lot from the Hermes books, magazines booklets - it certainly appears that H does not grant authorization for use, they hoard it for themselves.
But honestly, I may have 5-10 references for a design, wow, that is a lot of stuff for which to secure authorization.
And, in some cases, I have noted my source (in my notes) but the link is no longer valid. Ex: a lot of magazine archives used to be available online, openly, but the publisher went into receivership a few years ago. So now, I have electronic magazine clippings and no way to attribute.
PS when we discuss H stuff here, we always flirt with violating their copyrights, they put up with it only to the extent that it helps their sales

 

[marie132]

Hi guys, not sure where to ask this question but can anybody tell me the name of this men's scarf? It looks like Courbettes but doesn't have a name on it and it was purchased in the men's section at Hermes as a present for my husband about 8 years ago. I love it and wonder if there are any more colors I could buy!

 

[marie132]

Hi guys, does anyone know which one this is?

 

[marie132]

Anybody?

 

[xincinsin]

Hi guys, not sure where to ask this question but can anybody tell me the name of this men's scarf? It looks like Courbettes but doesn't have a name on it and it was purchased in the men's section at Hermes as a present for my husband about 8 years ago. I love it and wonder if there are any more colors I could buy!

Looks a lot like Chantilly. Might be based on the design for one of the men's ties.