Ugh, I'm so sorry to add to the confusion, but I think RC's Birkin could be Clemence; I own four bags in Togo with the oldest being from year G, and the degree of veining varies among all four (from barely there to very evident), but it is still existent on all four, and even though you cannot tell at first glance, the pictures will show the veining. See Japster's picture in HG's post (#16); the gold has some very thin veining happening. I have four bags in Clemence---the textures vary slightly but are still much smoother when you run your hand down the surface--the Togo definitely feels more "prickly" for want of a better word. RC this last test probably won't help you b/c your BB Clemence is going to be a lot smoother regardless....I was with HG that day and that BB was so smooth we totally thought it was Swift. At the end of the day, there is so much variation with the leather as GF and HG have already mentioned, and your bags are absolutely gorgeous. If you have a chance, see if you can get Claude to take a look.