Exotic skins?

missnicoleeee

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Hi TPF!! So I was searching farfetch.com and found my most UHG!!! But the sad part is that i live in the states and since this bag is an exotic skin, it can't be shipped over here (it's in Italy). I tried searching google to see why exotics can't be shipped overseas and it was no help at all and I have never ordered anything that was overseas so I'm not sure how it would work ): would any of you tpfers happen to know why exotics can't be shipped overseas?

Thanks so much!!
 

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Its an International agreement to help protect endangered species, you can import, travel with or move exotics from one territory to another even if they are legitimate unless they have a CITES certificate and these can be provided by the store/boutique (but I am guessing not python to California).

People think that it doesn't apply to pre-agreement vintage bags too but it does, even if they are being carried.
 

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Hi TPF!! So I was searching farfetch.com and found my most UHG!!! I tried searching google to see why exotics can't be shipped overseas
Actually it's not the overseas part, it's California state law that prohibits the importation of exotic skins, including within the US from another state to CA.
 

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ah okay i understand now! thanks ladies! :smile: i'm a little sad now to hear that i must pass up this beautiful, beautiful, beautiful balenciaga 'violet croc' work bag but it's ok! i'm sure i'll find another UHG......hopefully :graucho:
 

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Actually it's not the overseas part, it's California state law that prohibits the importation of exotic skins, including within the US from another state to CA.
Also, so there absolutely no way to bring it to Cali? Or is there a way (within the law of course) to bring it? Sorry for the all the questions. >_< I just really want this bag and would try anything to get it lol...
 

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Also, so there absolutely no way to bring it to Cali? Or is there a way (within the law of course) to bring it? Sorry for the all the questions. >_< I just really want this bag and would try anything to get it lol...
1.Perhaps you could ask for a CITES (contacting the boutique directly rather than go through Far-fetch) and get it sent to a different state and then collect .

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2. Buy the bag from the boutique directly (asking for a CITES Cert) and then go for a 'holiday' in the boutique's city and then bring it home.

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3. Ring round all the US Bal stores and find the same bag in the US, pay for it and then pick it up or maybe Bal could send it to San Fran (afteral you not buying it there)

These are only suggestions, I think you should familiarise yourself with Cali law just in case. It cant be illegal to carry exotics because so many celebs are pictured carrying them around in LA, but I'd check with that too.

Question to all: So how come there are sometimes Hermes croc bags 'for sale' in SF Hermes store, or are they just for show?
 

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1.Perhaps you could ask for a CITES (contacting the boutique directly rather than go through Far-fetch) and get it sent to a different state and then collect .

or

2. Buy the bag from the boutique directly (asking for a CITES Cert) and then go for a 'holiday' in the boutique's city and then bring it home.

or

3. Ring round all the US Bal stores and find the same bag in the US, pay for it and then pick it up or maybe Bal could send it to San Fran (afteral you not buying it there)

These are only suggestions, I think you should familiarise yourself with Cali law just in case. It cant be illegal to carry exotics because so many celebs are pictured carrying them around in LA, but I'd check with that too.
thanks! i will most definitely try out your ideas! i've already emailed the people asking about CITES cert. and etc :biggrin:
 

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Question to all: So how come there are sometimes Hermes croc bags 'for sale' in SF Hermes store, or are they just for show?
My guess is the law may be interpreted a little broadly when it comes to alligator and croc varieties that are not endangered. Out of curiosity I looked for the legal statement, and it definitely applies to python, and it specifies that all alligator and croc will become illegal in 2015, but maybe the farmed varieties at this time are permitted? I am not a specialist and there may be other CA laws that apply.
http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/653o.html
 

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My guess is the law may be interpreted a little broadly when it comes to alligator and croc varieties that are not endangered. Out of curiosity I looked for the legal statement, and it definitely applies to python, and it specifies that all alligator and croc will become illegal in 2015, but maybe the farmed varieties at this time are permitted? I am not a specialist and there may be other CA laws that apply.
http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/653o.html
Thanks jellyv

So actually, OP might be fine just importing Croc with a CITES straight to Cali?

Cross my fingers for you OP :biggrin:
 

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I didn't know that! So, there's no way someone could travel with an exotic bag???
Travel anywhere within Europe and you are fine BUT going to Asia, USA/Canada or Australia/NZ etc and then returning you may get your bag confiscated without the appropriate CITES

You need to obtain and travel with a CITES (usually given at point of sale in premium brand stores)
 

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(b) (1) Commencing January 1, 2015, it shall be unlawful to import into this state for commercial purposes, to possess with intent to sell, or to sell within the state, the dead body, or any part or product thereof, of any crocodile or alligator.

Oh crap. Sometimes I just hate living in the land of fruits and nuts where the lawmakers all come from the nut section. I had plans to buy a vintage croc Kelly and then sell it when I retired. I guess I can use an out of state retailer. They never make anything easy here. And you wonder why businesses are leaving the state.

Oh the other hand, maybe there will be some great deals on croc items in the last month before the law goes into effect. Guess I should add "shop for croc" to my calendar for December 2014. ha ha
 

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Travel anywhere within Europe and you are fine BUT going to Asia, USA/Canada or Australia/NZ etc and then returning you may get your bag confiscated without the appropriate CITES

You need to obtain and travel with a CITES (usually given at point of sale in premium brand stores)
OMG! I had no idea!

What does CITES stand for?
 

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OMG! I had no idea!

What does CITES stand for?
It was an International agreement signed in 1973

From:

http://www.cites.org/eng/disc/what.php


"CITES (the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) is an international agreement between governments. Its aim is to ensure that international trade in specimens of wild animals and plants does not threaten their survival"

The site will tell you everything you need to know including which animals and plants are included and excluded