Hmm, well I've consulted with both TFD and EU but ended up going to GNG. I'm day 30 post-op right now for two-jaw, genioplasty, and zygoma-reduction. No V-line, just slight mandible shaving thrown in to even out any asymmetry. So I can't say much about the results for TFD and EU but I can tell you my consultation experience with them. I personally liked Dr. Lee of TFD better than Dr. Kim of EU, although Dr. Kim seemed very precise and astute. They know each other and both worked at ID Hospital before. Dr. Kim says he does not use drainage tube after surgery making it sound like this is a more advanced way of doing it because he believes higher chance of infection if using it. However, Dr. Lee of TFD and Dr. Choi of GNG both use drainage (as do most places) and disagree saying that they believe drainage is important to get rid of the excess blood/fluid and its only done on day 1. Also, EU requires 30k won payment for a mold to be made in order to get consultation, which neither TFD nor GNG required. This is probably a carryover from what he was used to at ID, because ID also charges something like this. Funny thing is Dr. Kim barely looked at the mold during the consult. His consultant was kinda prissy and catty, talking **** about other clinics. And they are relatively new so they didn't have a lot of similar case photos to show me when I asked to see. Plus, they were more expensive than TFD. As for people dissatisfied with results, I agree it's probably because either they're still swollen or they have some ideal in mind that is often a slightly photoshopped after-image. I think good docs do take a more conservative approach and will not take off too much. I've seen over-cut faces here in koreatown Los Angeles and it is not a good look.