Canadian shoppers: Nordstrom vs. Saks vs. Holts

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HiromiT

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Hello fellow Canadians! Now that Nordstrom and Saks have finally arrived, where do you prefer to shop and why? I'd love to hear about your experiences, positive and negative. As for myself, I'm going to share a rather lengthy tale of two retailers.

I was a loyal Holts customer for decades as we had no other options until recently and I was lucky enough to find a few wonderful SAs and shopped with them over the years. They always informed me of promos and presales, and I usually got what I wanted/needed.

When Nordstrom first opened in Van, I didn't go to the store for many months, assuming if my retail therapy and customer service needs were being met at Holts, then I didn't need another luxury retailer especially if they were carrying more or less the same brands.

Boy, was I wrong. Nordies' customer service takes it to another level. Every SA that I've met or spoken to by phone was friendly, courteous, and helpful. In the store, I'm always greeted by an SA and promptly offered assistance whether or not I have items in my hand or look a little lost. By contrast at Holts, unless I'm shopping with one of my regular SAs, I either get ignored or receive half-hearted offers to help but only if I'm holding a bunch of things to try. Now, I understand why our American neighbours consistently rave about Nordies' customer service.

The clincher for me is how each store is handling their current F/W designer presales. I visited my Nordies SA to try on a bunch of shoes and made a shortlist in case they go on sale. As soon as the presale list was available, she texted me to advise that none of the shoes I wanted was being marked down but she would keep an eye out for similar styles.

That same day, I visited one of my regular Holts SAs, knowing Holts would follow Nordies' steps and launch their presale at the same time. My SA seemed to be acting a bit strange, almost aloof, when we normally have lots to chat and laugh about. After I tried several pairs and confirmed with her that they're on the presale list, she told me she couldn't hold them for me until the presale next week. If they weren't sold this weekend, she would presell them to me. But I said I knew the presale had already started because I saw other customers around me picking shoes and giving their cc#. She then said those customers are in the top tier of the Holts loyalty program and are getting early access to the presale and this was a new store policy. A bit of an awkward moment but she was just doing her job and I wasn't bold enough to ask her to speak to a manager and try to make an exception, like I overheard another shopper attempt to do. I'm in the 2nd tier and there is probably a big gap between 1st and 2nd.

Now, I do understand how loyalty programs work and why stores choose to reward their best customers but with Nordstrom as a formidable competitor and Saks looming on the Vancouver horizon, I realize that I no longer need to stay loyal to Holts. I have a growing number of better options. Maybe eventually, Nordstrom presales will also be tiered just as they are in the US, but for now, I'll shop at the store where promos and sales are offered in a more egalitarian format and where I'll have a better chance at nabbing what I want.

Anyway, I ran back to Nordies right away and got my lovely SA to check a few more pairs. She even used their handheld scanner to double check prices and eventually found me some boots that were going on sale but hadn't been included on the presale list yet. Now that's great customer service!
 
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Hello! I totally agree with you. Holts has the WORST customer service ever, whether its on the phone or in person. Luckily I have a lovely SA that is really sweet and easy to deal with. I can't wait til a rack opens up, we need to give them more competition!!!
 
I am glad you had a good experience with Nordstrom. Normally I get ignored by most of the sales employees at Holts, even in the leased boutiques like Gucci no matter how often I shop. I also feel like I almost never find a good deal on anything that I want. When I can, I prefer to order direct from the brands.
 
Hello fellow Canadians! Now that Nordstrom and Saks have finally arrived, where do you prefer to shop and why? I'd love to hear about your experiences, positive and negative. As for myself, I'm going to share a rather lengthy tale of two retailers.

I was a loyal Holts customer for decades as we had no other options until recently and I was lucky enough to find a few wonderful SAs and shopped with them over the years. They always informed me of promos and presales, and I usually got what I wanted/needed.

When Nordstrom first opened in Van, I didn't go to the store for many months, assuming if my retail therapy and customer service needs were being met at Holts, then I didn't need another luxury retailer especially if they were carrying more or less the same brands.

Boy, was I wrong. Nordies' customer service takes it to another level. Every SA that I've met or spoken to by phone was friendly, courteous, and helpful. In the store, I'm always greeted by an SA and promptly offered assistance whether or not I have items in my hand or look a little lost. By contrast at Holts, unless I'm shopping with one of my regular SAs, I either get ignored or receive half-hearted offers to help but only if I'm holding a bunch of things to try. Now, I understand why our American neighbours consistently rave about Nordies' customer service.

The clincher for me is how each store is handling their current F/W designer presales. I visited my Nordies SA to try on a bunch of shoes and made a shortlist in case they go on sale. As soon as the presale list was available, she texted me to advise that none of the shoes I wanted was being marked down but she would keep an eye out for similar styles.

That same day, I visited one of my regular Holts SAs, knowing Holts would follow Nordies' steps and launch their presale at the same time. My SA seemed to be acting a bit strange, almost aloof, when we normally have lots to chat and laugh about. After I tried several pairs and confirmed with her that they're on the presale list, she told me she couldn't hold them for me until the presale next week. If they weren't sold this weekend, she would presell them to me. But I said I knew the presale had already started because I saw other customers around me picking shoes and giving their cc#. She then said those customers are in the top tier of the Holts loyalty program and are getting early access to the presale and this was a new store policy. A bit of an awkward moment but she was just doing her job and I wasn't bold enough to ask her to speak to a manager and try to make an exception, like I overheard another shopper attempt to do. I'm in the 2nd tier and there is probably a big gap between 1st and 2nd.

Now, I do understand how loyalty programs work and why stores choose to reward their best customers but with Nordstrom as a formidable competitor and Saks looming on the Vancouver horizon, I realize that I no longer need to stay loyal to Holts. I have a growing number of better options. Maybe eventually, Nordstrom presales will also be tiered just as they are in the US, but for now, I'll shop at the store where promos and sales are offered in a more egalitarian format and where I'll have a better chance at nabbing what I want.

Anyway, I ran back to Nordies right away and got my lovely SA to check a few more pairs. She even used their handheld scanner to double check prices and eventually found me some boots that were going on sale but hadn't been included on the presale list yet. Now that's great customer service!

Thanks for your feedback. I, too feel exactly the same way.
Btw, can you explain the concept of presale? Thx!
 
I am a new member and couldn't start a thread, but since this is for Canadian shoppers, I was hoping someone might be able to answer...

I want to purchase a Celine bag in Canada and bring it back to the US. Will there be taxes/duty fees associated with that? I know there are if you bring from USA -> Canada. If anyone has any idea, I'd really appreciate it!
 
There will probably be duties if the bag is manufactured in a country that does not have a free trade agreement with the USA. When importing into Canada, it is honestly hit and miss as to whether I pay duties. Technically anything over 60$ Can in value is subject to duties. I assume the US has similar rules that you will have to look up.

One tip I can definitely give you to minimize duties is to avoid using couriers (i.e. UPS, FedEX, DHL) because they charge OUTRAGEOUS brokerage fees on top any duties that you have to pay. The last gift I received via FedEX costed almost as much in duties and charges as the value of the item itself! I always ask items to shipped via USPS/Canada Post (with tracking and insurance up to the full value of the item) in order minimize duties and fees. The trade off is that it takes a little longer to arrive.
 
There will probably be duties if the bag is manufactured in a country that does not have a free trade agreement with the USA. When importing into Canada, it is honestly hit and miss as to whether I pay duties. Technically anything over 60$ Can in value is subject to duties. I assume the US has similar rules that you will have to look up.

One tip I can definitely give you to minimize duties is to avoid using couriers (i.e. UPS, FedEX, DHL) because they charge OUTRAGEOUS brokerage fees on top any duties that you have to pay. The last gift I received via FedEX costed almost as much in duties and charges as the value of the item itself! I always ask items to shipped via USPS/Canada Post (with tracking and insurance up to the full value of the item) in order minimize duties and fees. The trade off is that it takes a little longer to arrive.

Umm thats not really correct. If you are a canadian citizen, you have up to $800 limit on things you can bring back into the country if you are gone for over 48 hours. I assume the US would have similar limits for US citizens. Although i feel like they are more flexible than Canadian customs. As a Canadian entering the US, I have never been asked how much I am bringing into the states in terms of products.
 
I am traveling in between canada and usa for my work reason and found out holts is really awful from collection to its sales. I am happy two other stores finally landed in canada so we have better choice as a customer now.
 
Umm thats not really correct. If you are a canadian citizen, you have up to $800 limit on things you can bring back into the country if you are gone for over 48 hours. I assume the US would have similar limits for US citizens. Although i feel like they are more flexible than Canadian customs. As a Canadian entering the US, I have never been asked how much I am bringing into the states in terms of products.
Sorry, I was referring to anything shipped or mailed for that 60$ limit http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/import/courier/menu-eng.html. If you physically cross the border and stay for 48 hours, then yes, you are correct that Canadians have an 800$ limit.
 
Based on product selection and customer service, I find Holt lacking when compared to US based stores. I was hoping that would improve when Nordstorm and Saks came here. So far it is a hit and miss.

I'm told by several SAs that Holt has distribution agreements in place thus Nordstorm & Saks are unable to carry certain brands or undercut the prices. Not sure if this is true but I understand why Holt would have that.
 
I finally got to check out the Nordstroms at Yorkdale today and although I was only there briefly, I can say that the selection and service is MUCH better than at Holt Renfrew. I'm glad that Nordies and Saks finally came to Toronto, will give HR a run of their $ so to speak. I mean seriously, they only just offered online shopping in the past year!
 
I'm a Nordy girl, but there's a little room for Saks too. I appreciate the effort Nordy gives to customer service and that makes me tend to be a loyal customer. Probably about 75% of my clothing, accessory and makeup purchases are made there. Saks gets a chunk every so often when Nordstrom doesn't carry a bag that I want. My Nordstrom store doesn't carry the brands I'm interested in, but sometimes they will carry the brand and style online. I purchased a Chloe bag from Nordstrom recently and while they have a fantastic return policy, it's still a bit of a hassle to have to order the bag/s to see and feel them in person since they don't carry Chloe in the actual store here. This is where Saks comes in. Saks has a much larger purse department and carries more brands that I want. The only Chanel boutique in my city is located in the Saks so that's an added bonus. If the bag is available at Nordstrom online that's where I purchase it though.

I just went to the Nordy Holiday party last night. It was fun, but not like it used to be. Every year they seem to scale it back a bit making it less special. I love those 10x points though and shopping with champagne is always a nice treat. :-)
 
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